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Agree? disagree?

Yes it will happen next year 111 38.54%
 
It will Happen in 2014 64 22.22%
 
I think it might happen 33 11.46%
 
Nah i aint to sure about this 7 2.43%
 
I dont think it will happen 30 10.42%
 
Never in a million years 25 8.68%
 
Results 18 6.25%
 
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superchunk on 03 December 2012

Those of you saying PS3 will be leader WW in the end are absolutely crazy. You can't possibly even be looking at the global sales, the YOY decrease for PS3 and what that means when PS4 info is released early next year.

Even if Wii were discontinued right now, PS3 wouldn't beat it in the long run.



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gergroy on 03 December 2012
superchunk said:
runqvist said:

From the frontpage:

Wii: 43,7m

360: 40,2m

Gap = 3.5m

I think the gap will be about one million by the end of the year.


I got totals from the global charts, not front page. So maybe off by a week's data or changes in data not present on one screen or other, etc.

You need to look at whole year, not just guessing December. X360 won't cut the gap by 2m in December alone. You're more than likely over estimating X360's potential sales this month.

2011 X360 sold 2.2m in December. They have about a 40% YOY decline so far. So, I'd bet they'll sell close to 1.5m in NA.
2011 Wii sold 1.2m in December. They'll likely be around 800k.
That means a further gap cut by less than a million.

The gap will likely still be ~3m by end of this year... especially once all adjustments are accounted for.


I think you are guilty of over estimating the wii's potential sales for december.  The Wii U was only on sale for about a week last month, but the Wii's sales totals still fell almost 50% from last year.  With the Wii u on the market for the entire month of december, and given that it sold about 1.2mill last year, I think a much more likely sales figure for the Wii this year is around 500k.  

I think the 360 will pass up the Wii in the US sometime around the end of next year.  The 360 will probably outsell the wii after december by at least 200k each month.  The 360 will have a drop off after the nextbox is announced and the especially when it comes out, but the wii sales will drop of dramatically next year as the wii u begins to take over sales.  



Cobretti2 on 03 December 2012
bananaking21 said:
Cobretti2 said:
bananaking21 said:
Cobretti2 said:
bananaking21 said:
Cobretti2 said:
but does it really make a difference considering Nintendo effectively killed of the Wii support?


yes it does. just because nintendo cant support its console after its 3rd or 4th year on the market doesnt downplay what the ps3 is gonna do, it actually makes it mean more as it proofs that sony can support its consoles way better than nintendo


All it proves is Nintendo made their money and moved onto their next console trying to gain another advantage over the competition, poorly might I add.

Saying that Nintendo supports their consoles better than Sony anyway. The problem with Nintendo consoles is 3rd party developers do not want to develop on them. If Sony had the same problem with 3rd parties, It would be struggling right now to crack 30million units.

and who's fault is it that 3rd parties dont support nintendo consoles?

Bit of everyones.

Nintendo with their lack of enticements, and If you been around long enough, you would see the lame excuses some 3rd party devs have used.


they give lame excuses because they cant just go up and say "nintendo is shit to work with" 


Sure they can. Not like they will be weakinging their relationship with Nintendo lol. Also not like they have to work with Nintendo. They get a dev kit and develop games.

The fact that ports sold better than half asses completed efforts on Wii just shows how much effort went into the Wii versions. LIke all the EA sports games, each year they just got worst and at one point they pimped it down to party style game with lame cartoon gfx and lame childish covers.



 

 

runqvist on 03 December 2012
superchunk said:
runqvist said:

From the frontpage:

Wii: 43,7m

360: 40,2m

Gap = 3.5m

I think the gap will be about one million by the end of the year.


I got totals from the global charts, not front page. So maybe off by a week's data or changes in data not present on one screen or other, etc.

You need to look at whole year, not just guessing December. X360 won't cut the gap by 2m in December alone. You're more than likely over estimating X360's potential sales this month.

2011 X360 sold 2.2m in December. They have about a 40% YOY decline so far. So, I'd bet they'll sell close to 1.5m in NA.
2011 Wii sold 1.2m in December. They'll likely be around 800k.
That means a further gap cut by less than a million.

The gap will likely still be ~3m by end of this year... especially once all adjustments are accounted for.


True, I was somehow looking at worldwide numbers from last year.



Carl on 03 December 2012
kowenicki said:

and?

I was responding to the Ps3 not being the biggest selling console worldwide.   I wasnt referring to just being successful, I was responding to a post about it being number 1 worldwide.  So you kinda wasted your time there.  And you are right, the last sentence is arguable..... at best.

"doesnt bode well for the next PS"

I was more responding to that, and how leading in the 3 largest countries isnt as important as youre making it out to be. As long as youre still competitive and you have a market large enough to sell Millions of games its all good.

The PS3 has been/will be the top selling console Worldwide for 2 consecutive Years despite the best efforts of the competition. It has fantastic 1st and 3rd party support. It sells well in all America, Europe, Japan and the rest of the World. Its making profit. Sales were up YoY on Black Friday, showing there is still significant demand for a PlayStation at mass-market price.

Yep.



                            

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gergroy on 03 December 2012
Carl2291 said:
kowenicki said:

and?

I was responding to the Ps3 not being the biggest selling console worldwide.   I wasnt referring to just being successful, I was responding to a post about it being number 1 worldwide.  So you kinda wasted your time there.  And you are right, the last sentence is arguable..... at best.

"doesnt bode well for the next PS"

I was more responding to that, and how leading in the 3 largest countries isnt as important as youre making it out to be. As long as youre still competitive and you have a market large enough to sell Millions of games its all good.

The PS3 has been/will be the top selling console Worldwide for 2 consecutive Years despite the best efforts of the competition. It has fantastic 1st and 3rd party support. It sells well in all America, Europe, Japan and the rest of the World. Its making profit. Sales were up YoY on Black Friday, showing there is still significant demand for a PlayStation at mass-market price.

Yep.

wasn't ps3 black friday sales last year around 900k?  this year they are around 700k?  isn't that down?



superchunk on 03 December 2012
gergroy said:
superchunk said:


I got totals from the global charts, not front page. So maybe off by a week's data or changes in data not present on one screen or other, etc.

You need to look at whole year, not just guessing December. X360 won't cut the gap by 2m in December alone. You're more than likely over estimating X360's potential sales this month.

2011 X360 sold 2.2m in December. They have about a 40% YOY decline so far. So, I'd bet they'll sell close to 1.5m in NA.
2011 Wii sold 1.2m in December. They'll likely be around 800k.
That means a further gap cut by less than a million.

The gap will likely still be ~3m by end of this year... especially once all adjustments are accounted for.


I think you are guilty of over estimating the wii's potential sales for december.  The Wii U was only on sale for about a week last month, but the Wii's sales totals still fell almost 50% from last year.  With the Wii u on the market for the entire month of december, and given that it sold about 1.2mill last year, I think a much more likely sales figure for the Wii this year is around 500k.  

I think the 360 will pass up the Wii in the US sometime around the end of next year.  The 360 will probably outsell the wii after december by at least 200k each month.  The 360 will have a drop off after the nextbox is announced and the especially when it comes out, but the wii sales will drop of dramatically next year as the wii u begins to take over sales.  

ok, you say I'm being to optimistic, but you only changed it by 300k. Then you give no change to the 1.5m I said 360 would do.

Even with those changes that's still barely over a million change in the total gap. Thus still no where near leaving only 1m left for 2013, but instead at best a 2.5m game (I said 3m at first and you said 1).

Then you have to consider how they will each sell in NA in 2013 given Wii will be at $99 (rock bottom prices) and X360 will start having a bunch of media coverage for its successor launching later that year (as early as September). It will have, more than likely, up to a 50% drop. (this year is/was 30% to 40%)

I agreed it may pass it in late 2013, but at this point I'd still bet on 2014. Technically we basically agree.



gergroy on 03 December 2012
superchunk said:
gergroy said:
superchunk said:


I got totals from the global charts, not front page. So maybe off by a week's data or changes in data not present on one screen or other, etc.

You need to look at whole year, not just guessing December. X360 won't cut the gap by 2m in December alone. You're more than likely over estimating X360's potential sales this month.

2011 X360 sold 2.2m in December. They have about a 40% YOY decline so far. So, I'd bet they'll sell close to 1.5m in NA.
2011 Wii sold 1.2m in December. They'll likely be around 800k.
That means a further gap cut by less than a million.

The gap will likely still be ~3m by end of this year... especially once all adjustments are accounted for.


I think you are guilty of over estimating the wii's potential sales for december.  The Wii U was only on sale for about a week last month, but the Wii's sales totals still fell almost 50% from last year.  With the Wii u on the market for the entire month of december, and given that it sold about 1.2mill last year, I think a much more likely sales figure for the Wii this year is around 500k.  

I think the 360 will pass up the Wii in the US sometime around the end of next year.  The 360 will probably outsell the wii after december by at least 200k each month.  The 360 will have a drop off after the nextbox is announced and the especially when it comes out, but the wii sales will drop of dramatically next year as the wii u begins to take over sales.  

ok, you say I'm being to optimistic, but you only changed it by 300k. Then you give no change to the 1.5m I said 360 would do.

Even with those changes that's still barely over a million change in the total gap. Thus still no where near leaving only 1m left for 2013, but instead at best a 2.5m game (I said 3m at first and you said 1).

Then you have to consider how they will each sell in NA in 2013 given Wii will be at $99 (rock bottom prices) and X360 will start having a bunch of media coverage for its successor launching later that year (as early as September). It will have, more than likely, up to a 50% drop. (this year is/was 30% to 40%)

I agreed it may pass it in late 2013, but at this point I'd still bet on 2014. Technically we basically agree.

I'd still say the xbox will probably outperform your projections as december is typically its best month.  Next gen talks won't really be big deal until E3 which is june.  Also, the wii has been cheap for a long time, the $99 price point doesn't mean what it once did.  The next gen successor is out for the Wii, so after the holidays I would guess that Wii sells will drop like a rock.  

My point is I think you are underestimating the sales decline that will happen to the Wii now that the Wii U is on shelves.  



Carl on 03 December 2012
gergroy said:

wasn't ps3 black friday sales last year around 900k?  this year they are around 700k?  isn't that down?

~525k this Year vs ~499k last Year. Youre talking Worldwide where it is indeed down YoY. Im talking America, where Black Friday actually happens. Also up 200% in Latin America.

Actually... Just checked. Im wrong. Its not down YoY in reality Worldwide. As we know VGChartz are undertracking the PS3s BF numbers by ~100k... Its actually UP YoY Worldwide.

852k this Year vs 832k last Year. Awesome!

UP 1k in Japan YoY

DOWN 16k in Europe YoY

UP 26k in NA YoY



                            

gergroy on 03 December 2012
Carl2291 said:
gergroy said:

wasn't ps3 black friday sales last year around 900k?  this year they are around 700k?  isn't that down?

~525k this Year vs ~499k last Year. Youre talking Worldwide where it is indeed down YoY. Im talking America, where Black Friday actually happens. Also up 200% in Latin America.

Actually... Just checked. Im wrong. Its not down YoY in reality Worldwide. As we know VGChartz are undertracking the PS3s BF numbers by ~100k... Its actually UP YoY Worldwide.

852k this Year vs 832k last Year. Awesome!

UP 1k in Japan YoY

DOWN 16k in Europe YoY

UP 26k in NA YoY


where are you getting these numbers from?