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@andrespetmonkey

Your overlooking something truly fundamental in your analysis, or is it something terribly ironic. Anyway straight to the point. Sony has effectively lowered its sales forecasts for the Vita three times this year, and I wouldn't be shocked in the least if they did it one more time early next year. If Sony decreased its own production capacity accordingly. Then the Vita is actually effectively supply constrained.

While enacting a price cut may increase sales. Sony wouldn't be in a position to exploit those sales. Not only would Sony lose money, but they wouldn't even be able to gain serious market share by doing so. You see you are kind of missing a profit motive for the whole price cutting speculation. Sony plans to sell five million units by March if their forecast is a even split, and that isn't even to end users. That may be on the hard side, but Sony as of now has relatively little invested in the product.

Sony sent a message with their constant forecast cutting, and that is they don't have much faith in their own product, and aren't actively trying to make it into a huge success. The industry heard that, retailers heard that, and informed consumers heard that. The only people who aren't paying attention to this not so subtle message are die hard fans on forums such as these.

Which brings me to my next point. The reason that we probably don't see games for the second half of next year is that they probably don't exist. I am not saying it is a no mans land, but it is probably fairly sparse as we would see things. I honestly think the only thing that can turn the Vita around is Sony getting serious about the products future prospects.

They aren't sending mixed signals. They are sending all the wrong ones. I understand why they have cut back so much on production. They don't want to replicate the PS3 fiasco. Where they overproduced, and were forced to do things that lost them lots of money in order to get a fraction of that money back. I actually agree with what they are doing, because until they cut back it was looking like another repeat. Something that they couldn't afford if they had any hope of ever releasing another console.

That said it is what it is. Sony gave up on the Vita. They have like the lowest possible expectations. Seriously your not creating a viable ecosystem at five million units a year. They are kind of limiting the games that they are going to be able to get. I have never understood how someone can actually force excitement for this product. When Sony itself the ones who should be selling the machine are basically apathetic about the Vita.



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PS-Portable systems are no compatative against other handhelds. Vita and Sony handhelds in general, are thier own monster.

who is Gaikai? and a price drop would do some good, but every console needs that one game that's a must have, and Sony needs to find wht ip that is.



I wonder how much Sony will support the system when they have to ensure that the PS4 launch is a sucess and they are struggling financially. Does it makes sense to put your limited resources into a failing product or do you try to ensure the next one will be a sucess?



Dodece said:
@andrespetmonkey

Your overlooking something truly fundamental in your analysis, or is it something terribly ironic. Anyway straight to the point. Sony has effectively lowered its sales forecasts for the Vita three times this year, and I wouldn't be shocked in the least if they did it one more time early next year. If Sony decreased its own production capacity accordingly. Then the Vita is actually effectively supply constrained.

While enacting a price cut may increase sales. Sony wouldn't be in a position to exploit those sales. Not only would Sony lose money, but they wouldn't even be able to gain serious market share by doing so. You see you are kind of missing a profit motive for the whole price cutting speculation. Sony plans to sell five million units by March if their forecast is a even split, and that isn't even to end users. That may be on the hard side, but Sony as of now has relatively little invested in the product.

Sony sent a message with their constant forecast cutting, and that is they don't have much faith in their own product, and aren't actively trying to make it into a huge success. The industry heard that, retailers heard that, and informed consumers heard that. The only people who aren't paying attention to this not so subtle message are die hard fans on forums such as these.

Which brings me to my next point. The reason that we probably don't see games for the second half of next year is that they probably don't exist. I am not saying it is a no mans land, but it is probably fairly sparse as we would see things. I honestly think the only thing that can turn the Vita around is Sony getting serious about the products future prospects.

They aren't sending mixed signals. They are sending all the wrong ones. I understand why they have cut back so much on production. They don't want to replicate the PS3 fiasco. Where they overproduced, and were forced to do things that lost them lots of money in order to get a fraction of that money back. I actually agree with what they are doing, because until they cut back it was looking like another repeat. Something that they couldn't afford if they had any hope of ever releasing another console.

That said it is what it is. Sony gave up on the Vita. They have like the lowest possible expectations. Seriously your not creating a viable ecosystem at five million units a year. They are kind of limiting the games that they are going to be able to get. I have never understood how someone can actually force excitement for this product. When Sony itself the ones who should be selling the machine are basically apathetic about the Vita.


1st Sony lowering its expectation for Vita sales in segments isn't an indication they have no faith in it. Not lowering it and having low sales would be bad for business. It would look terrible and their shareholders wouldn't like it. Lowering it a ton would have the same effect. Segmenting their expectations is the best route considering the circumstances. If anything only lowering it a little is the only way they can convey confidence in the system, for having to lower expectations that is.

2nd Sony has been supporting the system heavily. Just look at its game library and you will see it is full of 1st party titles, new IPs and established franchises. It might not seem the same as their home console offerings, that's because they need to maintain the PS3 whle preparing for the PS4. They need to utilize all of their studios right now and contract out to other studios, while at the same time having their larger studios like Santa Monica work directly with several different studios to ensure quality among the franchises handed off to these non original dev assignments. That with PS Plus, CrossBuy, and the updates the Vita has been getting along with the PS Mobile launch, Sony seems to be pretty busy on all fronts. The Vita is not being neglected. It has 1st party software slated for next year; Killzone, Tearaway, Sly Cooper, Soul Sacrifice, Warrior's Lair, et al. The idea that Sony isn't supporting the system is pure fabrication and if you need to arrange some justification to prove me otherwise you should stop right there because you're either going to attempt to discredit the studios they have working on Vita which you can't since they have Guerrilla Games, Media Molecule, San Diego, Japan, Bend, et al. working on titles. Or you are going to argue Sony supporting the other systems they have instead of Vita which is a moot point since they need to maintain that support and dropping it would be bad for their business.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

scottie said:
This Vita doom is getting about as annoying as the 3DS doom was, but yes, I agree, if it hasn't saved itself by the end of 2013, it's never going to happen.

As for the whole "the end of the year has no Vita games", that is meaningless at this stage.

Where did I say the end of the year has no vita games?



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Dodece said:
@andrespetmonkey

Your overlooking something truly fundamental in your analysis, or is it something terribly ironic. Anyway straight to the point. Sony has effectively lowered its sales forecasts for the Vita three times this year, and I wouldn't be shocked in the least if they did it one more time early next year. If Sony decreased its own production capacity accordingly. Then the Vita is actually effectively supply constrained.

While enacting a price cut may increase sales. Sony wouldn't be in a position to exploit those sales. Not only would Sony lose money, but they wouldn't even be able to gain serious market share by doing so. You see you are kind of missing a profit motive for the whole price cutting speculation. Sony plans to sell five million units by March if their forecast is a even split, and that isn't even to end users. That may be on the hard side, but Sony as of now has relatively little invested in the product.

Sony sent a message with their constant forecast cutting, and that is they don't have much faith in their own product, and aren't actively trying to make it into a huge success. The industry heard that, retailers heard that, and informed consumers heard that. The only people who aren't paying attention to this not so subtle message are die hard fans on forums such as these.

Which brings me to my next point. The reason that we probably don't see games for the second half of next year is that they probably don't exist. I am not saying it is a no mans land, but it is probably fairly sparse as we would see things. I honestly think the only thing that can turn the Vita around is Sony getting serious about the products future prospects.

They aren't sending mixed signals. They are sending all the wrong ones. I understand why they have cut back so much on production. They don't want to replicate the PS3 fiasco. Where they overproduced, and were forced to do things that lost them lots of money in order to get a fraction of that money back. I actually agree with what they are doing, because until they cut back it was looking like another repeat. Something that they couldn't afford if they had any hope of ever releasing another console.

That said it is what it is. Sony gave up on the Vita. They have like the lowest possible expectations. Seriously your not creating a viable ecosystem at five million units a year. They are kind of limiting the games that they are going to be able to get. I have never understood how someone can actually force excitement for this product. When Sony itself the ones who should be selling the machine are basically apathetic about the Vita.

I'm talking about a price cut next holiday season. Can't they ramp up production by then?



Hawkeyejonjon said:
There is bioshock coming to vita but not next year though. Nothing can be given to nhilistic. Whoever wrote this article should know that nhilistic is going to change the company name and only going to make mobile/ios games. Call of Duty Declassified was there last vita game. I also have hope for Borderlands 2 going on vita.

Yeah that was just a joke on how nihilistic turned 2 great franchises into a piece of shit



Andrespetmonkey said:
Hawkeyejonjon said:
There is bioshock coming to vita but not next year though. Nothing can be given to nhilistic. Whoever wrote this article should know that nhilistic is going to change the company name and only going to make mobile/ios games. Call of Duty Declassified was there last vita game. I also have hope for Borderlands 2 going on vita.

Yeah that was just a joke on how nihilistic turned 2 great franchises into a piece of shit


everyone else that does ports for the vita is good at it. nihilistic was the only crapy studio. thank god nihilistic is not making anymore vita games.  i bet if they were going to make more vita games i bet they will get handed a good game and make the game horrible like the other 2. i don't even understand why sony would even accept a game from them after what they did with resistance



.. haha its not even the "wait for this or that event" excuse anymore.. its the whole of 2013 now.. !



 

Hawkeyejonjon said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Hawkeyejonjon said:
There is bioshock coming to vita but not next year though. Nothing can be given to nhilistic. Whoever wrote this article should know that nhilistic is going to change the company name and only going to make mobile/ios games. Call of Duty Declassified was there last vita game. I also have hope for Borderlands 2 going on vita.

Yeah that was just a joke on how nihilistic turned 2 great franchises into a piece of shit


everyone else that does ports for the vita is good at it. nihilistic was the only crapy studio. thank god nihilistic is not making anymore vita games.  i bet if they were going to make more vita games i bet they will get handed a good game and make the game horrible like the other 2. i don't even understand why sony would even accept a game from them after what they did with resistance

Yeah. Cambridge and Bend do good handheld translations. Ready at dawn did as well but sadly their working on an Orbis game.