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There is a very simple demonstration of the world approach to the United States.

Economic
Many economies voluntarily tie them selves to the US economy by investing in the US commodities market and stocks. Norway's Pension Fund, Chinese Development Fund, Dubai D.F., etc. In addition there is cross borrowing, US bank borrows from one country to loan money to another or internally (which then ends up off shore sooner or later.) The interdependency creates a safety net so slowing of growth doesn't turn into a recession or another "Great Depression".

Military
Country ask for US aid or US enters combat without being asked, other countries complain. US doesn't enter combat, other countries complain. US pays all the bill for UN, everyone complains. US doesn't pay the UN bill, other countries complain.

The US isn't perfect, it is a nation behaving like other nations do, or would if in similar circumstances. France, Britain, Germany, Russia, and China all have their share of modern military involvement where you could probably find fault with the greater powers logic. The fact of the matter is, if a nation has power to use its military for its benefit it does. I am not saying this is the way it should be, just that it is the way it is.

The modern day interdependency of both economy and defense is what prevents these powers from going to war with one another and killing millions of people.

Every other country uses it military in one way or another to get what it wants. Poland helps in Iraq to gain favor. UN peacekeepers stand around as a group of nations decide not to get involved but to be close by as a threat to another power they don't like. If any of you really believe that any UN peacekeeping group is sent by the home countries for human rights, you are naive.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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All you guys from other countries bashing americans need to calm down. The world depends on the American economy(which is the biggest and strongest in the world, I think everybody needs to calm). Whoever said america ruined your country Yeah right nice try.



insomniac17 said:
akuma587 said:
Americans are stupid, trust me, I am one. We know less foreign languages than the rest of the world's citizens, our high school students perform less well measured by objective criteria than many foreign countries, and we elected someone like George Bush to office, TWICE.

I think we are getting smarter, but we are pretty damn dumb, especially the South (I live in the South).

 We haven't had a good president since Reagan. and I'm not very impressed with ANY of the current candidates. and this is the year I can finally vote in a presidential election too...


Are you forgetting about the president we had just 8 years ago Bill Clinton. While he was in Office he kept oil prices down, Unemployment rate was much lower than it is now, the U.S wasn't in debt, and he got along great with other world leaders. That is why I think Hillary should be the next President she will follow in her hubands footsteps.



segajon said:
insomniac17 said:
akuma587 said:
Americans are stupid, trust me, I am one. We know less foreign languages than the rest of the world's citizens, our high school students perform less well measured by objective criteria than many foreign countries, and we elected someone like George Bush to office, TWICE.

I think we are getting smarter, but we are pretty damn dumb, especially the South (I live in the South).

 We haven't had a good president since Reagan. and I'm not very impressed with ANY of the current candidates. and this is the year I can finally vote in a presidential election too...


Are you forgetting about the president we had just 8 years ago Bill Clinton. While he was in Office he kept oil prices down, Unemployment rate was much lower than it is now, the U.S wasn't in debt, and he got along great with other world leaders. That is why I think Hillary should be the next President she will follow in her hubands footsteps.


i don't know lots of politics but hillary has same ideas as bill? ok

but a whole new team around her



segajon said:
insomniac17 said:
akuma587 said:
Americans are stupid, trust me, I am one. We know less foreign languages than the rest of the world's citizens, our high school students perform less well measured by objective criteria than many foreign countries, and we elected someone like George Bush to office, TWICE.

I think we are getting smarter, but we are pretty damn dumb, especially the South (I live in the South).

We haven't had a good president since Reagan. and I'm not very impressed with ANY of the current candidates. and this is the year I can finally vote in a presidential election too...


Are you forgetting about the president we had just 8 years ago Bill Clinton. While he was in Office he kept oil prices down, Unemployment rate was much lower than it is now, the U.S wasn't in debt, and he got along great with other world leaders. That is why I think Hillary should be the next President she will follow in her hubands footsteps.


 No, I am not. To be honest, I hated Clinton for what he did in his private life, and I disagreed with his policies as well. and since Hillary has many of the same ideas as her husband, I won't vote for her.  Clinton did good things in office, yes, but he made a lot of mistakes as well. I stand by what I said, " We haven't had a good president since Reagan." 



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steven787 said:
There is a very simple demonstration of the world approach to the United States.

Economic
Many economies voluntarily tie them selves to the US economy by investing in the US commodities market and stocks. Norway's Pension Fund, Chinese Development Fund, Dubai D.F., etc. In addition there is cross borrowing, US bank borrows from one country to loan money to another or internally (which then ends up off shore sooner or later.) The interdependency creates a safety net so slowing of growth doesn't turn into a recession or another "Great Depression".

Military
Country ask for US aid or US enters combat without being asked, other countries complain. US doesn't enter combat, other countries complain. US pays all the bill for UN, everyone complains. US doesn't pay the UN bill, other countries complain.

The US isn't perfect, it is a nation behaving like other nations do, or would if in similar circumstances. France, Britain, Germany, Russia, and China all have their share of modern military involvement where you could probably find fault with the greater powers logic. The fact of the matter is, if a nation has power to use its military for its benefit it does. I am not saying this is the way it should be, just that it is the way it is.

The modern day interdependency of both economy and defense is what prevents these powers from going to war with one another and killing millions of people.

Every other country uses it military in one way or another to get what it wants. Poland helps in Iraq to gain favor. UN peacekeepers stand around as a group of nations decide not to get involved but to be close by as a threat to another power they don't like. If any of you really believe that any UN peacekeeping group is sent by the home countries for human rights, you are naive.

 I agree with your post. This is the exact situation that this world and the US is in. Everyone loves us to hate us yet its their fault that they tied themselves to us. 

 

God I hate not being able to just put QFT and end it there. lol



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ssj12 said:
steven787 said:
There is a very simple demonstration of the world approach to the United States.

Economic
Many economies voluntarily tie them selves to the US economy by investing in the US commodities market and stocks. Norway's Pension Fund, Chinese Development Fund, Dubai D.F., etc. In addition there is cross borrowing, US bank borrows from one country to loan money to another or internally (which then ends up off shore sooner or later.) The interdependency creates a safety net so slowing of growth doesn't turn into a recession or another "Great Depression".

Military
Country ask for US aid or US enters combat without being asked, other countries complain. US doesn't enter combat, other countries complain. US pays all the bill for UN, everyone complains. US doesn't pay the UN bill, other countries complain.

The US isn't perfect, it is a nation behaving like other nations do, or would if in similar circumstances. France, Britain, Germany, Russia, and China all have their share of modern military involvement where you could probably find fault with the greater powers logic. The fact of the matter is, if a nation has power to use its military for its benefit it does. I am not saying this is the way it should be, just that it is the way it is.

The modern day interdependency of both economy and defense is what prevents these powers from going to war with one another and killing millions of people.

Every other country uses it military in one way or another to get what it wants. Poland helps in Iraq to gain favor. UN peacekeepers stand around as a group of nations decide not to get involved but to be close by as a threat to another power they don't like. If any of you really believe that any UN peacekeeping group is sent by the home countries for human rights, you are naive.

I agree with your post. This is the exact situation that this world and the US is in. Everyone loves us to hate us yet its their fault that they tied themselves to us.

 

God I hate not being able to just put QFT and end it there. lol


Not to sound patriotic, because I trying to remain objective; on the topic:

The only reason why we are seeing a recession now is because market prices were growing faster than the real value. Homes were over because of low interest rates and foreign investment in resale. Stocks were because of foreign investment into the US Stock exchange on artificially weak dollar v. artificially strong international currencies (mostly Pounds (UK) and the Euro). Because Russia, China, and the EU all trade with real international criminals for oil (not petty criminals like themselves and the US) this drove oil prices in the US up, because it created fear of an international movement against major oil companies, like an Iranian Oil Bourse. (The questionable US sources are being corporately boycotted) Over reliance of foreign government on US production, instead of actually producing, caused most of the problems.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Ungrateful bastards, the world would not be nearly as good as it is today without us.



Seriously America does one thing we piss one half the world off, we dont do that thing and we piss the other half off

seriously im sick of hearin git



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