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RUMOR: Playstation 4 to be called "Omni" + lots of other details

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kain_kusanagi said:

If the Wii U was twice as powerfull then all the games would easily run in native 1080p, but they don't they run in 720p. Halo 4 runs in native 720p and looks crazy good doing it. Lots of games on Xbox 360 and Ps3 run in native 720p. Where are the 1080p Wii U games?

The Wii U has more modern parts than the PS360, but Nintendo picked those parts because they were inexpensive and effiecent. The Wii U is only marginaly more powerfull than the PS360, not twice.

"That's a lot of numbers, but it's safe to say that more and more evidence is placing Wii U alongside Xbox 360 and PS3 versus a drastic leap over the current generation. Developers are definitely coming to terms with what Nintendo's new system will be capable of, but it's also clear that Nintendo's divergent approach has once again focused on finding innovation in control and software versus attempting to compete in terms of raw power."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/29/wii-u-cpu-gpu-details-uncovered

with just the double of a 360? no way.



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superchunk said:
kain_kusanagi said:


Ok, I clicked the link and found rumors about the next Xbox. But this thread is about the next Playstation. The link rumors that the next Xbox will be the most powerfull, but that the next Playstation will still be quite a bit more powefull than the Wii U. I still don't know why anyone other than a Nintendo employee would want the next Xbox and Playstation to be limited to Wii U which is NOT twice as powefull as the PS360. It obviously is not.

Oh and I don't know what the other thread is that you're talking about. But I do know that some hacker just released specific tech specs of the Wii U and the news is in. The Wii U is not a huge leap from PS360. http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/29/wii-u-cpu-gpu-details-uncovered

You're killing me.

1) The WiiU IS ~2x that of the PS360. Its CPU is slower per core but a more efficient and better CPU. Its not that much worse, if at all. The RAM is slower but many times more in quantity PLUS the very fast 32MB of edram that helps out in many different ways. PS360s GPUs are about 250GFLOPs while nearly everyone (especially after the 500MHz rumor) say its about 500GFLOPS... PLUS it is a far newer and more modern GPGPU and simply does a ton more over PS360s in terms of raw power, functionality, and various technologies. Anyone would say its safe to say WiiU is 2X the PS360 who knows about the tech.

2) Reread the rumors or just go to my thread with them all. It clearly says the PSOmni is about 2X the WiiU and then later says the neXtBox is about 2X the PSOmni. "Microsoft is the most vague out of all of them. It’s slated to be the most powerful out of all the next gen consoles about 4 to 6 times more powerful than Wii U and 2 to 3 times more powerful than Playstation Omni."

superchunky just stop.. lol.. let him think what he wants..

his comparing launch games with little development time as a measure of wiiUs true power..  haha! seems legit.



 

Rafux said:
wfz said:
I thought Sony had given up on forcing 3D onto consumers who don't want it. If anything, have they not learned from the abysmal appeal the 3D in the 3DS is for consumers?

They don't want this. Please, Sony, invest your money to make the system better in other ways.


The rumor says the omniviewer is optional.


Oh, that's a lot better. Still, much like the 3D development for the 3DS held it back in other regards, I wish Sony would have invested in improving the PS4 in other ways instead. It's optional on the 3DS too, and I'm sure most consumers would have preferred the 3DS had its development dollars invested elsewhere.



Never liked Orbis, Omni is nice and simple it could catch on.

Interesting specs, I wish Sony would drop 3D though...I think it's a dead end.



wfz said:
Rafux said:
wfz said:
I thought Sony had given up on forcing 3D onto consumers who don't want it. If anything, have they not learned from the abysmal appeal the 3D in the 3DS is for consumers?

They don't want this. Please, Sony, invest your money to make the system better in other ways.


The rumor says the omniviewer is optional.


Oh, that's a lot better. Still, much like the 3D development for the 3DS held it back in other regards, I wish Sony would have invested in improving the PS4 in other ways instead. It's optional on the 3DS too, and I'm sure most consumers would have preferred the 3DS had its development dollars invested elsewhere.

I agree 3D sucks in movies but maybe just maybe Sony is cooking something really amazing with 3D/VR/Augmented reality for games, I hope is just some glasses like in Heavy Rain and not some goofy VR helmet I would never wear.



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A lot of stuff in that OP I didn't understand.

Things I did like though:

Optional add ons (I hope they continue with this, really, because I want a choice whether to use motion controls (or similar) or not).

PS3 backwards compatibility with optional dongle. Seems unlikely to be honest, but that's the perfect way to deliver backwards compatibility and to keep the late exclusives selling into PS4's life. I'd pay extra for it.



Jay520 said:
What's up with Sony and naming their products? LittleBigPlanet: Karting, Playstation All Stars: Battle Royal, Playstation Vita, and now this! Omni???

Anyway, even though it's just a rumor, I like the pricing. $350-$399 sounds nice.

Come on dude. Walkman. This is not a new Sony thing. 

 

superchunk said:

I take it you didn't A) click on link or B) read my other thread covering the rest of the rumors found at the link.

As for WiiU... yes it is 2x PS360. It obviously is.

Lol. I really have no words. 



I don't understand this ... the system is only a modest leap from the Wii U?

Microsoft is basically going to have the upper end of the market to themselves and the Wii U will take the budget/casual/kids crowd on the bottom end ... leaving Sony with what?

If there's a noticable power gap between MS and Sony's machines, even if its slight enough that it gives MS the edge in many multi-plat titles ... Sony's goose is cooked IMO. 

Nintendo can play the low-tech card because they have a very loyal fanbase tied to their classic game franchises and the heavy draw of 80s/90s nostalgia, Sony really doesn't have that going for them. 



I call it a rumor if it has this stuff i wont buy it.



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VGKing said:

http://dualpixels.com/2012/11/29/rumor-behind-the-scenes-with-first-party-hardware-and-third-party-softwear-next-gen/

 

Sony is near the middle end part of their Project Orbis, their next generation PS4. It will not be called Playstation 4, teams have started to call the final name as Omni. Omni will reflect their new hardware and content delivery philosophy. Omni will be “very capable” of doing modern day graphics compared to a Direct X 11 level of technology like Unreal Engine 4 and Frostbite 2. Compared to Wii U, it is better, but not the biggest leap in the world according to developer friends of mine. The key is the Omniviewer, a thin, lite and slick head mounted autosteroptic display that can track the users head and presents a 360 image view with semi transparent AMOLED screens. This can turn any TV into a 3D TV, as well as add extra augmented reality information outside of the TV screen. One application from an entertainment perspective seeing movies in 2k, 4k or IMAX resolutions as their original size where you have to move your head to look at the full picture being displayed. Can also synch with the Vita. The new controllers weather it’s the Duo-Moves or the Classic DuoShock will have pulse sensors in the grips for biofeedback gameplay. Plans are a Basic Unit with 160 gigs and just the system with controller at $350-$399 and one with the Omniviewer and a pack-in game for $450-$499. Aims are for a September 2013 launch.

 

Omni is also part of their philosophy with the new OmniCloud, the new version of Gaktai. This service will not only cloud stream PS1, PS2 and select PS3 games to Playstation Certified devices but will also allow every digital and retail purchase to have access to a copy on the cloud. Basically, you buy one game, you can use it on any Plyastation device. Direct hardware Backwards Compatibility will be available by a $70 – $99 dongle that is plugged into the Omni that contains a PS3 on a chip with Cell to run games.

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=148850&page=1

theprof00 said:

I was having a chat with my friend FrankenFran,

and I was telling him "man, I'm getting really nervous about the ps4. There haven't been any news releases about ps4 dev kits, and nextbox ones have been out for around a year or so. This means that the ps4 won't likely be released until sometime in 2014".

To this he had a really interesting reply, which I'll summarize and expound for you.

Think about it like this. Everything Sony has been doing recently supports a ps4 being released on time, it's just not in the form that we're used to. Look at their moves with purchasing Gaikai. Look at their expansion of Gaikai onto multiple platforms, ios, android, pc...even XBOX. Look at their cooperation with Valve and Gabe Newell. Why on earth would Sony open up their online system to work alongside valve with portal 2 crossplay?

The theory is that Sony approached Gabe a ways back and made clear their intentions for their future console. Sony would go online distribution, and they asked for Mr. Newell's help. (Maybe)

Everything makes so much sense from that standpoint.

1) Cuts out the middleman gamestop, removes a big part of their revenue problem, used games. Will be able to offer games at a reduced rate. Have 'steam' sales
2) Allows them to save on next gen hardware. They don't have to be cutting edge, because the cloud will do all the work.
3) Anti-piracy straight from the server. Of course, there will always be hacks and pirate servers.
4) Allows them to focus more on their content.
5) Allows them exclusive ability to go third party without really going third party. They can put their high content games on ios, android, EVEN XBOX and WiiU, while the reverse cannot happen.
6) Gives them a transition back into their pc business, which Kaz said was a major component, also their phone and pad business.
7) Saves on all major secondary costs such as shipping, boxing, distribution, storage
8) This can all be done straight from their current hardware. No need to improve. Which means, if 360 makes major upgrades, it will be by itself, while ps3 and wiiU are able to run similar quality levels, making those two the major multiplat and base console devs choose over the fledgling 720.
9) Full backwards compatibility spanning all their systems.

 

Anyhoo, to summarize. I'm not expecting to see any huge hardware from sony for the ps4. I believe we'll see something similar to Onlive in the Orbis. We may eventually see a new fully fledged console out at some point, but the point is that they may not need to improve on the ps3 very much. A console with say a 20% power boost over ps3, that can use the vita in a similar setup to wiiU and upgrade all current ps3 offerings would be ideal. In this way, they can still sell boxed games for offline play, people looking to maximize responsiveness/own/collect/whatever, while simultaneously being able to offer a 'high-res' version of their game over the same console through the cloud.

The only thing I was missing was the Omni.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=148850&page=1

VGKing said:
Uhhhhhh NO.
Cloud Gaming is nowhere near advanced enough for it to be mainstream.

Internet Speeds aren't fast/affordable enough for most people. Bandwidth caps are a HUGE problem for cloud gaming. Besides why would you want to stream let's say God of War 4 each time you want to play it, enduring that lag and wasting so much bandwidth, when you could just download it from PSN straight to your PS4? Think about that.

The only thing I can see cloud gaming being good for is mobile games.