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arcane_chaos on 27 November 2012
happydolphin said:
arcane_chaos said:
thanks for pointing out the obvious....

You agree with him that Nintendo 1st party exclusives will attract the PS360 crowd? honestly?

not particulary first party titles(though maybe making new ip possibly) but it's kind of a given that exclusives can draw people to their console, hell, the main reason I  got a 360 was because of Tales of Vesperia..



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happydolphin on 27 November 2012
arcane_chaos said:

not particulary first party titles(though maybe making new ip possibly) but it's kind of a given that exclusives can draw people to their console, hell, the main reason I  got a 360 was because of Tales of Vesperia..

Okay, I agree with you then. But Pachter is false in his solution, he mentioned 1st party games, and those generally don't attract the PS360 crowd to Nintendo, there's enough proof of that. Exclusives, yes. 1st party exclusives, safe for a few IPs here and there, or new IPs, I doubt it would have a significant impact. (Even games like Xenoblade don't attract significantly)



NoirSon on 27 November 2012

I am going out on a limb and suspect he meant that in order to beat out the PS3 or 360 within the next 12 months or financial quarter, that the Wii U will need more exclusives.

It is a given that it will get first party exclusives, although the first few on track aren't really aimed at the "traditional" audience that has made the 360 and PS3 successful. The Wii U will sell decently but to win out, the system will need to start being able to advertise that it has exclusives beyond Mario in order to build a base to fortify if/when the other next gen systems drop.



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 November 2012
Nsanity said:
Cobretti2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The Xbox 360 has sold well beyond expected with only three exclusives. Has to say something about Pachters logic.


I think his logic is stuck in the old PS2 days where PS2 had many 3rd party exclusives. and helped to sell the console.

Which makes no sense anyway in Nintendo's case as they will always struggle to get real 3rd party support.

 

PS2 was also getting timed exclusives like GTA.

True, but Sony was putting stock in GTA's success before it blew up completely with part 3.



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 November 2012
happydolphin said:
arcane_chaos said:

not particulary first party titles(though maybe making new ip possibly) but it's kind of a given that exclusives can draw people to their console, hell, the main reason I  got a 360 was because of Tales of Vesperia..

Okay, I agree with you then. But Pachter is false in his solution, he mentioned 1st party games, and those generally don't attract the PS360 crowd to Nintendo, there's enough proof of that. Exclusives, yes. 1st party exclusives, safe for a few IPs here and there, or new IPs, I doubt it would have a significant impact. (Even games like Xenoblade don't attract significantly)


This party exclusives from notable conmpanies can do the trick though if they are marketed right for the consoles. Nintendo could've been that company that has every genre mature and for everyone, but they chose to stay with the games aiming at children and teens with their first party. Instead of people growing up and move on they could've stayed the primary brand for them. I think half of this has to do with Nintendos first party stance on what represents them. Looks like what they did with Rare, basically have everyone else make their mature games for them because they are it is against their good conscience to get their hands dirty themselves.



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happydolphin on 27 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:

This party exclusives from notable conmpanies can do the trick though if they are marketed right for the consoles.

Exactly.



cunger on 27 November 2012
DanneSandin said:

Wii U: Nintendo 'Needs More Exclusives' To Beat PS3, Xbox 360 - Pachter

 

Michael Pachter tells us what Nintendo needs to do for the future of Nintendo's Wii U.

 

Despite the launch issues surrounding the Wii U, Nintendo has had a fairly successful launch. It's not clear skies for the new console, however, as Pachter believes it still has a lot of work to do to bring in the core console market.

Speaking with NowGamer, Pachter said there was "no telling what Nintendo has planned," and that the Wii U still needs to convince a large group of people.

"I'm still not sold on the console as being significantly different than current generation consoles," said Pachter, "and am interested personally only in the exclusive software."

It's the Nintendo-made games that will ultimately sell the console, claims Pachter: "I think that Nintendo needs more exclusives to differentiate the Wii U, and am pessimistic that they will be able to deliver them next year."

Pachter is also down on Nintendo's capabilities with online functionality, too. "In particular, it is essential that the Wii U has the same online multiplayer functionality as the others, or they will have trouble attracting Call of Duty players, for example."

Whether Nintendo will manage this or not Pachter didn't say, but it's clear Nintendo still has a lot of work to do.

Will you be buying a Wii U this week, or are you letting Nintendo's next-gen console pass you by?

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1697229/wii_u_nintendo_needs_more_exclusives_to_beat_ps3_xbox_360_pachter.html

 

Kinda like stating the obvious? I'm guessing he's talking about 3rd party support or something, because Wii U got... like... Nintendo games?

 


I agree with part of what he states. This system needs quality exclusives and lots of them. But I think they are off to a pretty good start with Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, ZombiU, NSMBU...  And I think they'll be fine for the next year or two as well with games like 3D Mario, new Zelda, Mario Kart, Metroid, and Smash Bros all possible. It's beyond the first 2 to 3 years that I'm unsure of. 



cunger on 27 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
happydolphin said:
arcane_chaos said:

not particulary first party titles(though maybe making new ip possibly) but it's kind of a given that exclusives can draw people to their console, hell, the main reason I  got a 360 was because of Tales of Vesperia..

Okay, I agree with you then. But Pachter is false in his solution, he mentioned 1st party games, and those generally don't attract the PS360 crowd to Nintendo, there's enough proof of that. Exclusives, yes. 1st party exclusives, safe for a few IPs here and there, or new IPs, I doubt it would have a significant impact. (Even games like Xenoblade don't attract significantly)


This party exclusives from notable conmpanies can do the trick though if they are marketed right for the consoles. Nintendo could've been that company that has every genre mature and for everyone, but they chose to stay with the games aiming at children and teens with their first party. Instead of people growing up and move on they could've stayed the primary brand for them. I think half of this has to do with Nintendos first party stance on what represents them. Looks like what they did with Rare, basically have everyone else make their mature games for them because they are it is against their good conscience to get their hands dirty themselves.

I disagree. Those games will be significant impact.  They will set the Wiiu up nicely as the second console next to either a PS4 or a Xbox 720.. It won't convert fanboys into Nintendo fanboys but it will get them to buy a system especially once they are cheaper to play the exclusive games. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 November 2012
cunger said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
happydolphin said:
arcane_chaos said:

not particulary first party titles(though maybe making new ip possibly) but it's kind of a given that exclusives can draw people to their console, hell, the main reason I  got a 360 was because of Tales of Vesperia..

Okay, I agree with you then. But Pachter is false in his solution, he mentioned 1st party games, and those generally don't attract the PS360 crowd to Nintendo, there's enough proof of that. Exclusives, yes. 1st party exclusives, safe for a few IPs here and there, or new IPs, I doubt it would have a significant impact. (Even games like Xenoblade don't attract significantly)


This party exclusives from notable conmpanies can do the trick though if they are marketed right for the consoles. Nintendo could've been that company that has every genre mature and for everyone, but they chose to stay with the games aiming at children and teens with their first party. Instead of people growing up and move on they could've stayed the primary brand for them. I think half of this has to do with Nintendos first party stance on what represents them. Looks like what they did with Rare, basically have everyone else make their mature games for them because they are it is against their good conscience to get their hands dirty themselves.

I disagree. Those games will be significant impact.  They will set the Wiiu up nicely as the second console next to either a PS4 or a Xbox 720.. It won't convert fanboys into Nintendo fanboys but it will get them to buy a system especially once they are cheaper to play the exclusive games. 


Nintendo on their own will always be in their own world. Third parties keep them up to speed with what is going on with the other consoles and the rest of the world. Without casuals full support (which they wont have nearly as much of this time) they will fail to meet those expectations and will try to fill it by going after the core Sony and Microsoft have already built. At this point exclusives are what matter. Think about that.



DélioPT on 27 November 2012

Maybe HD first party games can attract PS3 and Xbox 360 owners!