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What are you?

Atheist/Agnostic
Christian
Satanist
After this thread not sure

Warning: This is the truth and as I believe it, do not participate in this thread if you're easily offended or closed minded. The exchange of contradictory ideas is what keeps this thing called the search for knowledge going. This thread is for people who are open minded, logical, and don't deny facts. If you are christian, you can try to post in this thread, but if you are too offended and are just going to insult and blasheme my God and creator Satan, just please go away now.


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I was given permission to post this thread by Kantor the mod, as long as I removed any offensive content. If I unbeknowingly insulted christians, I tried to remove that. While I do believe christians are delusional, they are still people who deserve respect and I did not mean to insult them in my first thread. If you have any problem with anything I've said, let me know about it and I will edit it, do not lock or try to get this thread locked, It is supposed to be a rational discussion without anger or insults, and I hope that anyone reading does not do the wrong thing and degrade this thread into trash talking.


This thread is to discuss the attributes and concepts of christianity, Satanism, and atheism. First, let's discuss atheism.

Most atheists believe in science, logic, and reason. That's something they have in common with Satanists. They believe the world came from natural circumstance within the universe, and life came to be on it's own. Satanists believe that too. Most atheists base their morals upon logic and gut feelings, not an ages old book of unverifiable validity. I respect atheists for their reason, but I look down on them for never opening themselves up to the wonderful spiritual world that exists thinly veiled behind the obvious reality.

Satanism is complex. There's many different kinds of Satanist, from LaVeyan atheistic Satanism to theistic Satanism. I myself am a theistic Satanism, I believe Satan/Lucifer is a real being. He speaks to me through diverse manners and tells me all the truths and lies. He gives me magickal powers that christians and their religion, which I believe to be false, never even promises or gives you. Anything I want comes to me without effort. When I pray he listens, considers what I want, and then gives me what I need, unlike the christian God who you pray to and absolutely nothing happens, and you look for the smallest things which could be considered "signs" that he answered your prayer, or atleast that's what I did when I tried being christian. How many time have you known christians, in real life or movies, to say "Give me a sign" then they take something small and insignificant as a sign when it's really just an irrelivant circumstance. When you ask Satan for a sign, you better believe you will get a sign, and you will know 100% that it is a sign from Satan directly to you. So, I've gone a bit off topic, just slightly, let's get back to Satanism, not the glory of Satan... Atheistic satanism is based upon the Satanic bible. Anton LaVey was himself actually a theistic Satanist who believed Satan to be a real being, it's quite obvious that's true if you study him. He created the Satanic bible to make Satanism mainstream. he made it atheistic so it would be accepted. He gave all the glory to Satan he could without directly expressing that Satan is a real being that will bless your life in ways you cannot imagine. LeVayan Satanism has MUCH better morals then christianity in my opinion, is relatively free of contradictions unlike the christian bible. It is a very good and respectable religion. 

Now, let's talk about my beliefs, theistic Satanism. Theistic/Spiritual Satanism is based upon the ancient religions of mankind that predate judaism and christianity by hundreds to thousands of years. We revere and give glory to the oldest God in recorded history, the ancient Sumerian God known as Enki. En means Lord, and Ki means earth. He is Lord of the Earth. He was worshipped long before the judeo/christian lie YHWH. (Wikipedia Enki for proof) We as theistic Satanists believe Judaism/Christianity to be a lie spread by the Jews to remove occult and spiritual knowledge from the general populace and place power in the hands of a select "Chosen" few, to the detriment of all mankind. If you truly study history, it will be revealed to you that Enki is the worlds oldest God and the story of the bible and the Judeo/Christian God YHWH is a much newer and recently formed idea. Most of the stories of Genesis, the flood, adam and eve, confusion of the languages, were copied from the stories of Enki by the Hebrew people. All their doctrines, in my opinion, are about spiritual enslavement to the God YHWH and his son Jesus Christ, which I believe to be fictitious entities. It is quite obvious from history that Jesus never existed, if you study history it's very clear that the events of the new testament never took place. There was something like a 30-50 year gap to when the story of Jesus supposedly happened, and when the gospels were written. True open mindend non-literalist christian scholars know that the gospels were allegory of a mythical being, not a real story. The early christian church took the gospels and used them for their own goals, and presented them as fact when there is little to no real historical evidence that Jesus of Nazereth ever existed.

Let's talk about Christianity now. The basis of christianity is that you need the blood sacrifice of Jesus to save your soul from eternal hellfire. Well let me ask you this, what kind of God. curses his children for eating some magical fruit that HE KNEW they were going to eat. If he's really all knowing(which I think he isn't from studying the horrible advice that even christians don't follow that he gives in many parts of the bible) He would know Adam and Even were going to eat from the tree of knowledge. So he set them up to fail, and then he punishes all their descendants for something he knew they would do. That is no God I would want to revere or worship. Back on the topic of blood sacrifice, blood sacrifice is neither required or encouraged in the the worlds oldest and most valid religion, Satanism. Blood sacrifice is a concept from the Judeo/Christian bible: 

Deuteronomy 12:27:
"And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh."

The christian God also requires worship. Satan dislikes worship. In fact it's strictly forbidden in The Black Book of Satan. It's said you should never worship any Gods. You do not need to slaughter animals like the Jews used to do to gain salvation and Good tidings. You don't need the blood or metaphorical sacrifice of some mythical man on a wooden cross to bring you salvation. I believe heaven is a lie spread by the Jews. I believe you do not need Jesus or any other God to save you. All you need to do to save yourself from "hell" (the cycle of reincarnation) is to progress spiritually enough that you reincarnate as a God in the next life. I believe no blood sacrifice of some man named Jesus can save you. In fact no God can save you. It is your own duty, in my opinion. You need to meditate, practise magick, study all the knowledge you can, and work out and progress your physical being. Doing all this will raise your spiritual power threshhold and greaten your chances of reincarnating into a God and saving yourself from the cycle of reincarnation. In my opinion, praying and giving yourself over and  essentialliy being a slave, to someone who is in my eyes a mythical figure, won't save you from anything. Nothing good comes without work. In my opinion NO ONE will forgive you for your sins, they will be a blight of bad karma upon your soul until you've paid your dues. The idea that you need blood sacrifice or help from some demi-god to save you is repulsive to me. The idea that all your sins can be forgiven just at the flick of a wrist of a God is immoral and complete irresponsible in my opion.



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First of all how old are you?

Max King of the Wild said:
First of all how old are you?

20 years old. But age means nothing to me. Maturity and knowledge are not based upon age. I respect the opinion of a child, adult, or elder all the same. We are all equal and our opinions are all equally valid. Facts however can be incorrect, but opinions... No.



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TheEvilBanana said:
Max King of the Wild said:
First of all how old are you?

20 years old. But age means nothing to me. Maturity of knowledge is not based upon age. I respect the opinion of a child, adult, or elder all the same. We are all equal and our opinions are all equally valid. Facts however can be incorrect, but opinions... No.



Age means a lot and this post proves it.

Secondly, whats your highest level of education?



Max King of the Wild said:
TheEvilBanana said:
Max King of the Wild said:
First of all how old are you?

20 years old. But age means nothing to me. Maturity of knowledge is not based upon age. I respect the opinion of a child, adult, or elder all the same. We are all equal and our opinions are all equally valid. Facts however can be incorrect, but opinions... No.



Age means a lot and this post proves it.

Secondly, whats your highest level of education?

You're so closed minded it's silly. Age DOES NOT MATTER OR MEAN ANYTHING. People who think that are just full of themselves because they're older and want to feel superior. I've met kids smarter then most adults, including you in my opinion. Not to be offensive, but I believe you are very small minded and know nothing about real knowledge or wisdom. Level of education does not matter, the stuff they teach you in school besides math, english, and science, are invalid. You do not need to go to college to learn things, like Will Hunting says, all you need is the public library. Or these days, the internet. My education level on the scale of government schools, universities, or colleges does not matter. The fact that I used to spend over ten hours a day researching religion, society, culture, history, and science, for years of my life, should matter. Not the fact that I've been to some institution.

If you want to continue your biased thoughtline, I would ask that you leave my thread.



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TheEvilBanana said:
Max King of the Wild said:
TheEvilBanana said:
Max King of the Wild said:
First of all how old are you?

20 years old. But age means nothing to me. Maturity of knowledge is not based upon age. I respect the opinion of a child, adult, or elder all the same. We are all equal and our opinions are all equally valid. Facts however can be incorrect, but opinions... No.



Age means a lot and this post proves it.

Secondly, whats your highest level of education?

You're so closed minded it's silly. Age DOES NOT MATTER OR MEAN ANYTHING. People who think that are just full of themselves because their older and want to feel superior. I've met kids smarter then most adults, including you in my opinion. Not to be offensive, but I believe you are very small minded and know nothing about real knowledge or wisdom. Level of education does not matter, the stuff they teach you in school besides math, english, and science, are invalid. You do not need to go to college to learn things, like Will Hunting says, all you need is the public library. Or these days, the internet. My education level on the scale of government schools, universities, or colleges does not matter. The fact that I used to spend over ten hours a day researching religion, society, culture, history, and science should matter, not the fact that I've been to some institution.

If you want to continue your biased thoughtline, I would ask that you leave my thread.



This post has proven my point. Thank you for the timely discussion.

You claim to be so open minded yet your response provides evidence on the contrary.

You used then instead of than.

You say children are smarter than me yet know nothing about me.

Education level says a lot and you avoiding the question leads me to believe it's minimal at best.

But I wouldn't expect much more from such a close minded person such as yourself. I came in here for intelligent conversation but obviously you can not provide that for me.



Anyway to completely destroy your OP.

Both historians of theistic and atheistic believe Jesus was real. The dates you use is one side while there is evidence to support the idea they were written sooner than that.

Also, to believe that atheists solely believe in science, logic, and rational thoughts is naive.

And also believing christians don't believe in science, logic or rational thought just shows your ignorance

Maybe if you got a GED (If you don't yet have a High School diploma. I don't know your situation since you avoided the question so I'm starting off at the basics) and went to a university you would know this. Take a logic course or two because you claim to love it so much yet it's obvious you aren't skilled in it's discipline. Take an epistemological philosophy course. Those will go a long way in this sort of discussion for you next time.



The first sentence of your thread was already a contradiction.

Age does mean something, does it mean everything? No, but it is part of the equation. Personally I find your "LOOK AT ME I NEED ATTENTION" threads to be tiresome and boring, its an old act find something new to do. Also you cant really say "If I unbeknowingly insulted" and then immediately call those same said ppl "delusional". I'm sure many of them feel the same way about your beliefs as well.

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Y'know, I would love to contribute to the discussion you've posed since you obviously put a lot of thought into it, but your views about the Abrahamic religions AND Atheism are fundamentally incorrect which makes your post invalid. I would point out where you're wrong and why what you're saying is wrong, but I feel like it will turn into a pointless back and forth argument that most religious debates on this site turn into.