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MrBubbles on 16 November 2012
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The Israelis are bullying the Arabs, and are given sympathy by the West, because they claim that Jewish people occupied that land from ancient times. Why else would they be granted land in that specific region of the world, right?

But why did the West support, so adamantly, the creation of Israel, which divided an already established nation right down the middle? We all know that America would never create a nation inside it's borders for all the Native Americans, that divided America's East from West. There has to be a motive behind all of this that isn't transparent for us to see.

It's really sad to people getting upset over other people's comments, only because they were not "politically correct." With that said, let me say this: I believe that America and Israel are worse than the Nazis. Not only have they committed some of the most heinous global atrocities in this age (many mimicking how the Nazis treated the Jews), but they've also done it sneakily, and are very underhanded. At least the Nazis were up front about their crimes.

cry to me some more about how the obese gazans dont get to eat 20 cheeseburgers at ever meal you degenerate slimeball, then crawl back to whatever cesspit you crawled from.

 


Are you Israeli by any chance? Normally I wouldn't ask this type of question, but you just really went after me with what's highlighted above!

sadly we seem to share the same country.   i say its sad because somehow you made it through our education system (or did you?)  and still remained an incompetent bumbling fool.   your ignorance in making the comments you did is near incomprehensible.    I am not jewish either, if that is going to be your next question.   a great many people from all walks of life suffered unspeakable horrors at the hands of the nazis, your comments quite literally cause me to feel physically ill. 

 

 


I'm sure the Afghanis, Iraqis, and Palestenians can say the same about America and Israel.

If this is too much for you to hear, and is causing you to feel physically ill and emotional, maybe you shouldn't involve yourself in these types of discussions. No need to attack others with your insults either, you're making yourself look like a complete joke.


did you even look at the pictures i posted? and you still want to call them nazis?  

 

well in that case i apologize.  i did not realize you were mentally deficient when i first spoke so harshly to you.  i would never treat someone like you in such a way. 


Again, you resort to insults during a discussion. If you don't agree with someone's views, that's about the most childish way to show so. And those pictures, I think, I've a thousand times before. No need to keep recycling them in order to reinforce your emotionally fuelled arguements. They simply do NOT work.


your ignorance and buffoonery are likely charades and you are just a pitiful troll.  i presented real arguments in this thread and you spew filth most vile. 



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MrBubbles on 16 November 2012
RoryGamesFree said:
Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
The Israelis are bullying the Arabs, and are given sympathy by the West, because they claim that Jewish people occupied that land from ancient times. Why else would they be granted land in that specific region of the world, right?

But why did the West support, so adamantly, the creation of Israel, which divided an already established nation right down the middle? We all know that America would never create a nation inside it's borders for all the Native Americans, that divided America's East from West. There has to be a motive behind all of this that isn't transparent for us to see.

It's really sad to people getting upset over other people's comments, only because they were not "politically correct." With that said, let me say this: I believe that America and Israel are worse than the Nazis. Not only have they committed some of the most heinous global atrocities in this age (many mimicking how the Nazis treated the Jews), but they've also done it sneakily, and are very underhanded. At least the Nazis were up front about their crimes.

cry to me some more about how the obese gazans dont get to eat 20 cheeseburgers at ever meal you degenerate slimeball, then crawl back to whatever cesspit you crawled from.

 


Are you Israeli by any chance? Normally I wouldn't ask this type of question, but you just really went after me with what's highlighted above!

sadly we seem to share the same country.   i say its sad because somehow you made it through our education system (or did you?)  and still remained an incompetent bumbling fool.   your ignorance in making the comments you did is near incomprehensible.    I am not jewish either, if that is going to be your next question.   a great many people from all walks of life suffered unspeakable horrors at the hands of the nazis, your comments quite literally cause me to feel physically ill. 

 

 


I'm sure the Afghanis, Iraqis, and Palestenians can say the same about America and Israel.

If this is too much for you to hear, and is causing you to feel physically ill and emotional, maybe you shouldn't involve yourself in these types of discussions. No need to attack others with your insults either, you're making yourself look like a complete joke.


did you even look at the pictures i posted? and you still want to call them nazis?  

 

well in that case i apologize.  i did not realize you were mentally deficient when i first spoke so harshly to you.  i would never treat someone like you in such a way. 


Again, you resort to insults during a discussion. If you don't agree with someone's views, that's about the most childish way to show so. And those pictures, I think, I've a thousand times before. No need to keep recycling them in order to reinforce your emotionally fuelled arguements. They simply do NOT work.

I read his awful and disgusting posts toward you and have reported him to the sites moderators his posts aren't to debate but just to be incredibly insulting so I assume the moderators will take appropriate action against him now they are aware of his actions.

i think a bridge must have collapsed scattering you all about the place.   you dont get to spread filthy ignorant hateful lies and try to claim that they are "just opinions"



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Rath on 16 November 2012
MrBubbles said:
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You should not bring up the nuclear bombings of Japan, since they saved more lives then they killed.

Thank you, I'm perfectly aware of what official historiography thinks about it, and consider this a typical "common place" that everybody think it is, while it's not (e.g. Napoleon was short). I beleive if not due to the nuclear deterrence there could have been other nuclear bombings, which would be postfactum and hypocritically explained somehow as a good thing. Anyway the subject was discussed already here, on VGC.

@MrBubbles, who would have thought? Well, that was my assumption. Probably, Canadian, as if it makes a lot of difference for me :D


oh?  you find those countries very similar?

 

i take issue with people and the comparisons to the nazis for such matters because it demonstrates a gross ignorance of the events that took place then and are taking place now.  i dont think those sorts of things are events that should be forgotten and ignored.   they should be seen and they should be known.   people should feel something when they see those photos.   they should recognize it is not the same and they should work against thoughts that lead to people being treated like that.   

even if the events are also quite different than the massacre you brought up (which is a massacre for any of you other people reading who were misusing that word) it is the same thoughts that caused it.  

gaza isnt a concentration camp, the israelis are not committing massacres, and no genocide taking place.  there is no holocaust of palestinians.   how can you even have a reasonable discussion with someone making those points ?   they lack very basic understanding.    that is why i posted the photos. 

How would you feel about an apartheid comparison? I feel it is more apt to the Israel/Palestine situation.



TheLivingShadow on 16 November 2012
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Eh, it's less "Fair Share" more "The US supports Israel."

If the US didn't support Israel... like say this exact situation happened elsewhere, practically no country would support Palestine because they would see it as a legitamization of "seperatists".  It's the same reason countries like... Spain don't recognize Kosovo.

Most of the world supports Palsestine because the United States supports Israel, there is in general a large alliance of countries that vote the opposite of the US  on every measure from Israel to global kitten appreciation day.

 

Now Europe.  Europe's backing off of Israel is actually a pretty interesting long term political development that began with a strange marriage of the Europeon Leftwing and Muslim Immigrants.  The Leftwing pretty much ignoring some of the more problematic issues from the immigration such as woman's rights for the voter support.

It's a different case with Palestine actually. They aren't seperatists so much as an occupied people - no state claims that Palestine is a sovereign part of Israel. As such countries that are afraid of the idea of seperatism such as China, Russia or Spain can feel much more comfortable about a Palestinian state.

Ask the Basque seperatists if there is a difference.   They will say no.

There really isn't any difference at all.  In general Palesetine support is mostly just based around the same NAM stuff as usual, which is, be against stuff the US is for and will Veto anyway, because why not.

It's similar to why Julian Assange is sitting in an Ecuadorian embassy right now even though if he did the same thing in equador he'd of been shot long ago.  (Well except that's to thumb it's nose at the British, not US.)

The only people who really remotely care are those adjacent to the issue because of all the refugee camps.

Where the countries actually tend to treat the refugees worse then the Israeli's treat Gaza.

Hey, I'm actually Ecuadorian, and I can point out that while the current president hates irresponsible press (and that's what they are really, things here are very corrupt), nobody has been misterously murdered due to different opinions!

Also, though the government press is way too biased, I would like it if the private press learned to be ethical.

 

http://www.dc4mf.org/en/content/ecuadorian-journalist-shot-dead

Which is just a local corruption case.  

If a Journalist leaked confidential information about equador you don't think they'd be killed for treason?

Well, local corruption is different. I can easily believe that happened. But if the ruling party (PAIS) could be linked to that assasination in any way, you'd better believe that the opposing press would cover that.

Also, about the journalist leaking confidential information, probably so. But the corruption in Ecuador is so common that you cannot just brush the president or the ruling party as the cause for the corruption.

For example, take my home city, Portoviejo. There was this vigilante, Mauricio Montesdeoca, also called "El Justiciero" (Justice Man), who systematically tracked down the worst criminals of the city and killed them, sometimes in grueling ways. He did that because all his brothers were murdered by thieves (he came from an affluent family). He actually ran for mayor in the last mayor elections, but lost. Anyways, a few weeks after the mayor elections, he was murdered by gun shot in the private community where he lived. There were rumors about the police being involved in his murder, but in any case, the fact that the assassins could get inside the community is itself a big problem!



Slimebeast on 16 November 2012
Rath said:
MrBubbles said:
mai said:

Griffin said:

You should not bring up the nuclear bombings of Japan, since they saved more lives then they killed.

Thank you, I'm perfectly aware of what official historiography thinks about it, and consider this a typical "common place" that everybody think it is, while it's not (e.g. Napoleon was short). I beleive if not due to the nuclear deterrence there could have been other nuclear bombings, which would be postfactum and hypocritically explained somehow as a good thing. Anyway the subject was discussed already here, on VGC.

@MrBubbles, who would have thought? Well, that was my assumption. Probably, Canadian, as if it makes a lot of difference for me :D


oh?  you find those countries very similar?

 

i take issue with people and the comparisons to the nazis for such matters because it demonstrates a gross ignorance of the events that took place then and are taking place now.  i dont think those sorts of things are events that should be forgotten and ignored.   they should be seen and they should be known.   people should feel something when they see those photos.   they should recognize it is not the same and they should work against thoughts that lead to people being treated like that.   

even if the events are also quite different than the massacre you brought up (which is a massacre for any of you other people reading who were misusing that word) it is the same thoughts that caused it.  

gaza isnt a concentration camp, the israelis are not committing massacres, and no genocide taking place.  there is no holocaust of palestinians.   how can you even have a reasonable discussion with someone making those points ?   they lack very basic understanding.    that is why i posted the photos. 

How would you feel about an apartheid comparison? I feel it is more apt to the Israel/Palestine situation.

The apartheid comparison is flawed since the West Bank and Gaza territories aren't annexed by Israel. It's occupied land conquered from Egypt and Jordan without any negotiated peace agreement about its final status.



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Rath on 16 November 2012
Slimebeast said:

How would you feel about an apartheid comparison? I feel it is more apt to the Israel/Palestine situation.

The apartheid comparison is flawed since the West Bank and Gaza territories aren't annexed by Israel. It's occupied land conquered from Egypt and Jordan without any negotiated peace agreement about its final status.

Apartheid involved 'homelands' which were nominally ruled by the people who lived there but every aspect was actually controlled by the government.

Also the land wasn't really conquered from Jordan or Egypt - it's Palestinian land which was occupied by Jordan for a long period.



menx64 on 16 November 2012
MrBubbles said:

another senior hamas military commander has been killed

 

last i read was like 25 dead 11 civilians 5 of whom are children (source is gaza health officials)


and that is not a massacre you said? how many lives do they have to vanish before we can call it a massacre? every live, every life is important, regardless of their beliefs, nationalities, genders... 



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Slimebeast on 17 November 2012
menx64 said:
MrBubbles said:

another senior hamas military commander has been killed

 

last i read was like 25 dead 11 civilians 5 of whom are children (source is gaza health officials)


and that is not a massacre you said? how many lives do they have to vanish before we can call it a massacre? every live, every life is important, regardless of their beliefs, nationalities, genders... 

It's collateral damage, which is very unfortunate but something Israel tries to avoid.

A massacre is something entirely different, killing done on purpose.



weaveworld on 17 November 2012
menx64 said:
MrBubbles said:

another senior hamas military commander has been killed

 

last i read was like 25 dead 11 civilians 5 of whom are children (source is gaza health officials)


and that is not a massacre you said? how many lives do they have to vanish before we can call it a massacre? every live, every life is important, regardless of their beliefs, nationalities, genders... 

Hear hear.



oldschoolfool on 17 November 2012

Are they still fighting over that piece of land. lol