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Xbox Live is ten years old today, but things could have been very different. According to Bungie studio manager Harold Ryan, the premium service wouldn’t have worked without Halo and the leadership of the renowned studio.


“I think Xbox Live wouldn’t have made it. I don’t think the Xbox would be where it is today without Bungie and without Halo,” Ryan told

“As a group, we provided both technical and creative guidance and thought leadership that really pushed the limits. We weren’t just a game developer using the service. We were integrated in the design of the service and how it worked. Systems for groups and matchmaking and skill ranking were all things that were pushed the furthest and the hardest by us.”

Halo has remained one of Xbox Live’s most played games across the last decade. The recent launch of Halo 4 is the first iteration to be released without Bungie overseeing development, and managed to pull in $220 million during its first 24 hours.

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The balls.

"Trick shot? The trick is NOT to get shot." - Lucian

It's true.

Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

They are correct. The Xbox brand in general wouldnt be where it is without Halo

Not only would Xbox LIVE not have made it, I don't think Xbox would have made it.

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Veknoid_Outcast said:
Not only would Xbox LIVE not have made it, I don't think Xbox would have made it.

Pretty much this. Halo used to be the only reason to own the original Xbox. It's amazing how much gold they struck with that IP.

Pretty much. The XBox without Halo would have been like a Sega system without Sonic. There would simply have been no reason for many people to buy it.

Love and tolerate.

This in particular seems quite odd (nonsensical even) as with the subscription system the online single user account is ensured. Unless Bungie implies that Xbox Live was initially planned to be free (makes even less sense) :

“They'd been picking our brains as to how it should work and we gave them advice that was counter to how they were thinking originally, things that seem so obvious today,” Hoberman said. “You need a user account system where users cannot create free accounts that are fully privileged at will. People need to have personal responsibility and accountability. That wasn't what they were initially planning. We kind of helped turn it into this really safe walled garden, and over the years they've preserved that aspect, added to it, and made it feature-rich.”

in all cases - wrong attitude - and particularly bad timing

Correct. And this should be celebrated.

I'm not really here!

Link: Shipment History Since 1995

I bought my Xbox for Halo CE and my 360 for Halo 3. I didn't subscribe to XBL Gold until Halo 3 came out and yes it was just so I could play with my friends in Halo.