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FatalInertia said:
z101 said:
FatalInertia said:

Not too mention ps2 had almost no competition, nintendo lost hardcore gamers and thir parties years ago, no one is going to buy a wii-u for cod, or AAA games, those peeps will just get them on PS 3 or 4 or xbox.

Even the inferior (despite the superior controls) Wii version of Black Ops sold 1.2 millions, roughly a tenth of the Xbox360 version. The Wii U of Black Ops 2 will get a much bigger part of this cake in the future.

Only proves the point................. thats pathetic for a franchise bigger then any blockbuster movie.

I think you don't get the point. It think everyone would be surprised if a blockbuster movie played in old cinemas with a antic movie projector would attract millions of people (even so the Seats are more comfortable than in the shiny new cinemas)  :)

If even the inferior Wii version managed to sold that much copies, despite the fact the many gamers in this generation had two consoles, a Wii+Xbox360 or a Wii+PS3, the CoD sales for the Wii U will obviously reach the sales level of the PS3/Xbox360 CoD games in the future.



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z101 said:
FatalInertia said:
z101 said:
FatalInertia said:

Not too mention ps2 had almost no competition, nintendo lost hardcore gamers and thir parties years ago, no one is going to buy a wii-u for cod, or AAA games, those peeps will just get them on PS 3 or 4 or xbox.

Even the inferior (despite the superior controls) Wii version of Black Ops sold 1.2 millions, roughly a tenth of the Xbox360 version. The Wii U of Black Ops 2 will get a much bigger part of this cake in the future.

Only proves the point................. thats pathetic for a franchise bigger then any blockbuster movie.

I think you don't get the point. It think everyone would be surprised if a blockbuster movie played in old cinemas with a antic movie projector would attract millions of people (even so the Seats are more comfortable than in the shiny new cinemas)  :)

If even the inferior Wii version managed to sold that much copies, despite the fact the many gamers in this generation had two consoles, a Wii+Xbox360 or a Wii+PS3, the CoD sales for the Wii U will obviously reach the sales level of the CoD-Games on PS3/Xbox360 in the future.

LMAO sure, no one in the industry believes that is going to happen, it simply is not. It's a fools hope. Especially with nintendos online policies.



Being first to the market will help Nintendo in more ways than one.
It helps being the only next gen console for pratically a whole year. But more than that, it might help change the image that Wii left where the big, importante 3rd party games either weren`t there or weren`t as good (HD, online).
We all know that first to the market hasn`t ever been a sign of success, but, if we look closely, the console/brand that mass market wanted never actually was the first one to arrive to the market. Yes there were some surprises like PS1 (newcomer) and Wii (everyone thought PS3 was already a winner).

People/analysts will most times be wrong because they think that things are already written in stone.
I`m pretty sure everyoe thought N64 and PS3 were sure winners, given the success of SNES and PS2. They were wrong! Things change. Loyalty exists, but time has showed us that even that changes! Nintendo>Sony and once again Nintendo.

Wii U does indeed have a great line up. But bigger than that are the quality of it`s exclusives and their number.
3rd parties are already showing support that Wii never even dreamt of. And remembre, Wii was a casual machine with a casual audience behind it, so, why bet on it if they didn`t believe Wii U would be diferent?

Wii was never truly appreciated for what it offered. Yes, the big games skipped the console, but it still provided a lot of fun and great games.
As i said, Wii U will have about an year to change people`s minds and i honestly believe it will - just give it time!

Xbox 3 and PS4 have high hopes behind it because of what PS3 and Xbox 360 delivered this gen, so people are expecting the same thing to happen again.
My guess is the only thing we will see is better visuals and more media centric devices and i honestly don`t think that will make that big of impact. Specially if they don`t so something as good as Miiverse or Nintendo TVii.
in terms of games, be prepared for a hyke in prices if visual quality goes really up. In terms of control, what innovation will they offer?



FatalInertia said:
Soundwave said:
Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.


Not going to happen, MS has barely any exclusives now. MS ain't going to kill anything, the only reason they got the jump on Sony this time was sony was late and expensive, thats not happenoing this time. Sony has too many internal studios and third prty exclusives are rare. Sorry you're wrong. You cannot just go out and buy studios, SMs has evena dmitted the difficulty in having exclusives. and internal studios.

Well, first party studios isn't the end all be all. If so, Nintendo would be king of the hill. All the time. Gen after gen. But that's not the case.

Microsoft could BUY exclusivity if they wanted to, and that's pretty much how they got so big; they paid a lot of devs to make games multiplat



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DanneSandin said:
FatalInertia said:
Soundwave said:
Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.


Not going to happen, MS has barely any exclusives now. MS ain't going to kill anything, the only reason they got the jump on Sony this time was sony was late and expensive, thats not happenoing this time. Sony has too many internal studios and third prty exclusives are rare. Sorry you're wrong. You cannot just go out and buy studios, SMs has evena dmitted the difficulty in having exclusives. and internal studios.

Well, first party studios isn't the end all be all. If so, Nintendo would be king of the hill. All the time. Gen after gen. But that's not the case.

Microsoft could BUY exclusivity if they wanted to, and that's pretty much how they got so big; they paid a lot of devs to make games multiplat

MS paid devs to make games multi-plat? LMAO. Dillusionmal.



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FatalInertia said:
DanneSandin said:
FatalInertia said:
Soundwave said:
Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.


Not going to happen, MS has barely any exclusives now. MS ain't going to kill anything, the only reason they got the jump on Sony this time was sony was late and expensive, thats not happenoing this time. Sony has too many internal studios and third prty exclusives are rare. Sorry you're wrong. You cannot just go out and buy studios, SMs has evena dmitted the difficulty in having exclusives. and internal studios.

Well, first party studios isn't the end all be all. If so, Nintendo would be king of the hill. All the time. Gen after gen. But that's not the case.

Microsoft could BUY exclusivity if they wanted to, and that's pretty much how they got so big; they paid a lot of devs to make games multiplat

MS paid devs to make games multi-plat? LMAO. Dillusionmal.

I could be wrong about that, sure. But my 2 points still stand: Sony's 1st party games ain't gonna make the console nr1 next gen, and Microsoft could buy exclusivity for quite a fair share of games.



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DanneSandin said:
FatalInertia said:
DanneSandin said:
FatalInertia said:
Soundwave said:
Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.


Not going to happen, MS has barely any exclusives now. MS ain't going to kill anything, the only reason they got the jump on Sony this time was sony was late and expensive, thats not happenoing this time. Sony has too many internal studios and third prty exclusives are rare. Sorry you're wrong. You cannot just go out and buy studios, SMs has evena dmitted the difficulty in having exclusives. and internal studios.

Well, first party studios isn't the end all be all. If so, Nintendo would be king of the hill. All the time. Gen after gen. But that's not the case.

Microsoft could BUY exclusivity if they wanted to, and that's pretty much how they got so big; they paid a lot of devs to make games multiplat

MS paid devs to make games multi-plat? LMAO. Dillusionmal.

I could be wrong about that, sure. But my 2 points still stand: Sony's 1st party games ain't gonna make the console nr1 next gen, and Microsoft could buy exclusivity for quite a fair share of games.

They are still wrong.... Its not as simple as simply buying them, you need to know how to run, integrate them into the company Sony has a lot better internal development, just look  what MS did to rare. MS evenb admitted challenges in this department. Sorry but real business is not like madden football where you can just buy up who ever you want.........

 

Not going to happen. Sony has just as strong third party, better first party, free online, and no cost advantage nor head start for ms.



FatalInertia said:
Soundwave said:
Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.


Not going to happen, MS has barely any exclusives now. MS ain't going to kill anything, the only reason they got the jump on Sony this time was sony was late and expensive, thats not happenoing this time. Sony has too many internal studios and third prty exclusives are rare. Sorry you're wrong. You cannot just go out and buy studios, SMs has evena dmitted the difficulty in having exclusives. and internal studios.


MS isn't going after exclusives now because there's no point. This generation is largely decided.

Next gen when both PS4 and 720 are at 0 userbase, MS throwing an extra $10-$20 million at a particular game could turn things in their favor in many instances.

Like I don't buy for a second that Capcom just gave Nintendo the Monster Hunter franchise out of the goodness of their hearts. Nintendo outbid Sony for it plain and simple behind the scenes, probably because Sony can't afford to even outbid Nintendo these days (that Wii Sports/Brain Training/Nintendogs monster profits didn't just evaporate overnight or go to charity).

Microsoft as a corporation makes too much money, in 3-6 months they make more than Sony has made in the last 10 years. And they do that every year. The living room is important for Microsoft to own because they know they screwed the pooch getting in late to the cell phone/MP3 player/tablet markets and they need something to show their investors that they have leadership in outside of the same ol' PC OS.

The 720 is going for the kill. Bet on it. If Sony thinks they're in for an easy ride next generation, they are going to get hammered IMO.



Soundwave said:
FatalInertia said:
Soundwave said:
Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.


Not going to happen, MS has barely any exclusives now. MS ain't going to kill anything, the only reason they got the jump on Sony this time was sony was late and expensive, thats not happenoing this time. Sony has too many internal studios and third prty exclusives are rare. Sorry you're wrong. You cannot just go out and buy studios, SMs has evena dmitted the difficulty in having exclusives. and internal studios.


MS isn't going after exclusives now because there's no point. This generation is largely decided.

Next gen when both PS4 and 720 are at 0 userbase, MS throwing an extra $10-$20 million at a particular game could turn things in their favor in many instances.

Also I don't buy for a second that Capcom just gave Nintendo the Monster Hunter franchise out of the goodness of their hearts. Nintendo outbid Sony for it plain and simple behind the scenes, probably because Sony can't afford to even outbid Nintendo these days (that Wii Sports/Brain Training/Nintendogs monster profits didn't just evaporate overnight or go to charity).

Microsoft as a corporation makes too much money, in 3-6 months they make more than Sony has made in the last 10 years. And they do that every year. The living room is important for Microsoft to own because they know they screwed the pooch getting in late to the cell phone/MP3 player/tablet markets and they need something to show their investors that they have leadership in outside of the same ol' PC OS.

The 720 is going for the kill. Bet on it. If Sony thinks they're in for an easy ride next generation, they are going to get hammered IMO.

They already spent money on many games this gen didn't make much difference (50 mill on GTA DLC, yet ps3 will surpass 360 version in sales), a company is not going to lose sales and make many third party exclusives, are pretty much dead. Your in for a shock, MS is not going to come close to kill anything, sony has too much development and third party relationships, and mmajor brand recognition WW.

 

MS makes more money then nintendo to, means squat.



FatalInertia said:
Soundwave said:
FatalInertia said:
Soundwave said:
Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.


Not going to happen, MS has barely any exclusives now. MS ain't going to kill anything, the only reason they got the jump on Sony this time was sony was late and expensive, thats not happenoing this time. Sony has too many internal studios and third prty exclusives are rare. Sorry you're wrong. You cannot just go out and buy studios, SMs has evena dmitted the difficulty in having exclusives. and internal studios.


MS isn't going after exclusives now because there's no point. This generation is largely decided.

Next gen when both PS4 and 720 are at 0 userbase, MS throwing an extra $10-$20 million at a particular game could turn things in their favor in many instances.

Also I don't buy for a second that Capcom just gave Nintendo the Monster Hunter franchise out of the goodness of their hearts. Nintendo outbid Sony for it plain and simple behind the scenes, probably because Sony can't afford to even outbid Nintendo these days (that Wii Sports/Brain Training/Nintendogs monster profits didn't just evaporate overnight or go to charity).

Microsoft as a corporation makes too much money, in 3-6 months they make more than Sony has made in the last 10 years. And they do that every year. The living room is important for Microsoft to own because they know they screwed the pooch getting in late to the cell phone/MP3 player/tablet markets and they need something to show their investors that they have leadership in outside of the same ol' PC OS.

The 720 is going for the kill. Bet on it. If Sony thinks they're in for an easy ride next generation, they are going to get hammered IMO.

They already spent money on many games this gen didn't make much difference, a company is not going to lose sales and make many third party exclusives, are pretty much dead. Your in for a shock, MS is not going to come close to kill anything, sony has too much development and third party relationships, and mmajor brand recognition WW.

 

MS makes more money then nintendo to, means squat.


The disparity is too much at this point though, Sony is in bad, bad shape.

They can't do anything if MS decides to turn the next-gen into a bidding war for certain exclusives. If that happens, they're screwed.

And MS isn't stupid. They know this full well. They've done it to other companies before in the PC field, lol. Sony is nothing special. They've broken many other companies for breakfast.

I'm not even a MS fan, I own a PS3-Wii (I even have a Vita, lol), but I don't think MS is a teddy bear. I expect them to sense they can get a quick knock-out next gen and they are going to go for it. In a lot of ways, I think Sony is going to be MS' punching bag for the frustration they feel for being late to the cell phone/tablet market. They're going to take it out by taking control of the living room set-top-box market.

I just know from MS' history as a company ... it's not their nature to let competitiors up off their knees when they're in trouble.