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FatalInertia said:

Not too mention ps2 had almost no competition, nintendo lost hardcore gamers and thir parties years ago, no one is going to buy a wii-u for cod, or AAA games, those peeps will just get them on PS 3 or 4 or xbox.

Even the inferior (despite the superior controls) Wii version of Black Ops sold 1.2 millions, roughly a tenth of the Xbox360 version. The Wii U of Black Ops 2 will get a much bigger part of this cake in the future.



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z101 said:
FatalInertia said:

Not too mention ps2 had almost no competition, nintendo lost hardcore gamers and thir parties years ago, no one is going to buy a wii-u for cod, or AAA games, those peeps will just get them on PS 3 or 4 or xbox.

Even the inferior (despite the superior controls) Wii version of Black Ops sold 1.2 millions, roughly a tenth of the Xbox360 version. The Wii U of Black Ops 2 will get a much bigger part of this cake in the future.

Only proves the point................. thats pathetic for a franchise bigger then any blockbuster movie.



superchunk said:

1) Being first to the market has never cemented victory in any home console generation. However, it is still beneficial if done right with a lot of good content. There is always the risk of being ignored later though.

2) Its Nintendo, publishers will be skeptical and outright bullish on Nintendo. Why? because Nintendo is the only hardware where its first party can and will greatly out shine anything a 3rd party creates. Basically, 3rd parties see Nintendo not only as a valid userbase, but also one of the primary software competitors. The only way for them to overcome this is to ensure the cost of putting the game on the consoles is very, very small so they know that even if they don't sell at the same levels as other consoles, they will still be highly profitable. This is Nintendo's approach with WiiU as it has been made to be very easily ported to.

3) The launch line up is fantastic, however, to whom? Any Nintendo IP fan should be very happy with what is offered. Gamers who simply don't care for Nintendo IPs, however, don't have anything new or unique in this line-up. The only hint at that is Bayonetta2 or Monster Hunter. But none of that comes out until next year. Nintendo needs to get a few good exclusives from now until the rest of next-gen comes out as well as get the exact same 3rd party games the rest of next gen will get. If either of those fail, then upgraders will spend the likely extra $100 to buy a neXtBox/PS4 over a WiiU.

4) This really ties into #3 and the content available. Nintendo won't ever get everyone. Some people simply hate Nintendo. But they are a minority and those who have indifference to Nintendo IPs might jump on if the same content in games is there plus the added benefits the controller/miiverse/etc might add. But at this time, you cannot say this will happen. 2013 will be a big thing for Nintendo and either gaining or losing that potential crowd of upgraders.

5) This part is directly related to the cost it takes to put the game on WiiU. These publishers will go into this gen with the shared sentiment that ALL AAA games will be on neXtBox/PS4. The question is if its easily and cheaply capable to put the SAME game on WiiU. If it is, and there are other potential benefits with the gamepad or miiverse, etc, then the middle crowd that isn't fanboyish on a console will get WiiU and publishers may warm up to the system. If that fails, we may very likely be in the same boat as this gen as WiiU gets not real engine support and thus gets last-gen ported games only.

 

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You did not make a good case. I'm a Nintendo die hard and yet I can see the inherent risk at repeating Wii's "failure" with 3rd parties. I am very certain the power differences wont' be the scapegoat this time around, but that doesn't mean publishers will support it. Nintendo still has a lot going against it from the mindsets of publishers as well as the more "core" gaming crowd.

The only way to combat this is going to be robust content. Nintendo needs to do whatever it can to not only put out its amazing IPs, but also support the 3rd party publishers in getting high quality engines and make it very easy for them to put content on the device. Lowering their costs will make the ROI greater and that will get the content there. Hell, maybe Nintendo should pay to have engines like UE4 altered to ensure it can be used on WiiU.

A really good analysis chunky! As usual I might add =) as long as BOTH PS4 and x3ox isn't a major leap over Wii U, Nintendo will pump out good numbers.



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FatalInertia said:
z101 said:
VGKing said:
z101 said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:

The only way to ever see a PS2 again is for some company to fall.

And this is what will likely happen. I would be suprised (as all analysts) if Sony survive the next two years.

http://www.dw.de/sonys-woes-compounded-after-ratings-downgrade/a-16259017-1

http://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-downgrades-Sony-to-Baa3-outlook-negative--PR_259577

Don't worry. Sony isn't going anywhere. 

But the facts speaks for themselves.

Yes I know, some people who rised up with Sony will don't believe it until it happen. But in the past other big companies have vanished too. It have seen companies go the way that Sony goes many times before.

Sony is making money and playstation is one of their biggest assets, and they are sitting on a tonne of assets, sorry but you do not know what you are talking about. Bookmarked for the lulz.

Sorry but do you even read the links I posted? Or other articles in financial magazines about Sony? Sony IS in big trouble.



z101 said:
FatalInertia said:
z101 said:
VGKing said:
z101 said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:

The only way to ever see a PS2 again is for some company to fall.

And this is what will likely happen. I would be suprised (as all analysts) if Sony survive the next two years.

http://www.dw.de/sonys-woes-compounded-after-ratings-downgrade/a-16259017-1

http://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-downgrades-Sony-to-Baa3-outlook-negative--PR_259577

Don't worry. Sony isn't going anywhere. 

But the facts speaks for themselves.

Yes I know, some people who rised up with Sony will don't believe it until it happen. But in the past other big companies have vanished too. It have seen companies go the way that Sony goes many times before.

Sony is making money and playstation is one of their biggest assets, and they are sitting on a tonne of assets, sorry but you do not know what you are talking about. Bookmarked for the lulz.

Sorry but do you even read the links I posted? Or other articles in financial magazines about Sony? Sony IS in big trouble.

LMAO an article about their credit rating? If I had a nickle every time the sensationalist media proclaimed somehing and was wrong... I  can think for myself.. Sony is going nowhere, if they were dont you think developers would be weary supporting PS4? They are not for a reason.



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Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.



FatalInertia said:
z101 said:
VGKing said:
z101 said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:

The only way to ever see a PS2 again is for some company to fall.

And this is what will likely happen. I would be suprised (as all analysts) if Sony survive the next two years.

http://www.dw.de/sonys-woes-compounded-after-ratings-downgrade/a-16259017-1

http://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-downgrades-Sony-to-Baa3-outlook-negative--PR_259577

Don't worry. Sony isn't going anywhere. 

But the facts speaks for themselves.

Yes I know, some people who rised up with Sony will don't believe it until it happen. But in the past other big companies have vanished too. It have seen companies go the way that Sony goes many times before.

Sony is making money and playstation is one of their biggest assets, and they are sitting on a tonne of assets, sorry but you do not know what you are talking about. Bookmarked for the lulz.

 

Just like PC gaming has been dead since 2000...................

Sony is LOSING money. Fact. Their 2 past financial reports confirms this. And I even think that the PS took a loss recently this year, but it is true the PS brand is making money over all these days.

If you read the links you'd know that Sony's credit rating has been severely cut, making it harder for them to take loans and having to pay higher interest rate. That's not a good sign. What's been dragging them down is their TV division (mostly). But I'm sure we'll be seeing PS4 quite soon, so no biggies. Sony could still turn this around.



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Soundwave said:
Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.


Not going to happen, MS has barely any exclusives now. MS ain't going to kill anything, the only reason they got the jump on Sony this time was sony was late and expensive, thats not happenoing this time. Sony has too many internal studios and third prty exclusives are rare. Sorry you're wrong. You cannot just go out and buy studios, SMs has evena dmitted the difficulty in having exclusives. and internal studios.



Soundwave said:
Sony isn't going to go anywhere, but I think they are in for a decline and Microsoft is going to significantly out-spend them next generation on hardware, marketing, and exclusives.

Microsoft can see the blood in the water, they're not just going to idly accept Sony taking half of what they perceive to be "their audience". They are going to go for the kill, mark my words.

Marked! And, I agree.



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Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

DanneSandin said:
FatalInertia said:
z101 said:
VGKing said:
z101 said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:

The only way to ever see a PS2 again is for some company to fall.

And this is what will likely happen. I would be suprised (as all analysts) if Sony survive the next two years.

http://www.dw.de/sonys-woes-compounded-after-ratings-downgrade/a-16259017-1

http://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-downgrades-Sony-to-Baa3-outlook-negative--PR_259577

Don't worry. Sony isn't going anywhere. 

But the facts speaks for themselves.

Yes I know, some people who rised up with Sony will don't believe it until it happen. But in the past other big companies have vanished too. It have seen companies go the way that Sony goes many times before.

Sony is making money and playstation is one of their biggest assets, and they are sitting on a tonne of assets, sorry but you do not know what you are talking about. Bookmarked for the lulz.

 

Just like PC gaming has been dead since 2000...................

Sony is LOSING money. Fact. Their 2 past financial reports confirms this. And I even think that the PS took a loss recently this year, but it is true the PS brand is making money over all these days.

If you read the links you'd know that Sony's credit rating has been severely cut, making it harder for them to take loans and having to pay higher interest rate. That's not a good sign. What's been dragging them down is their TV division (mostly). But I'm sure we'll be seeing PS4 quite soon, so no biggies. Sony could still turn this around.


I'm pretty sure Sony as a whole hasn't made a profit in over 5 years.

2 years is being generous, lol. All the Japanese tech giants are in big trouble.