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badgenome said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Euphoria14 said:
What a bunch of cry babies

^This, and just all around Sore Losers.  I have never seen such ridiculousness from adults.

Me either.


Come on now... that's actual politicians and stuff... not just random interent goers.

That's totally different.



Kasz216 said:


Come on now... that's actual politicians and stuff... not just random interent goers.

That's totally different.

Correct.

I also would have accepted, "It's different when we do it!!!!11" or, "But that was under BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!"



badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:


Come on now... that's actual politicians and stuff... not just random interent goers.

That's totally different.

Correct.

I also would have accepted, "It's different when we do it!!!!11" or, "But that was under BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!"

To be fair Bush and U.S. Congress stripped more rights from US citizens than Obama could dream of yet Obama never repealed the Patriot Act.



sethnintendo said:
badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:


Come on now... that's actual politicians and stuff... not just random interent goers.

That's totally different.

Correct.

I also would have accepted, "It's different when we do it!!!!11" or, "But that was under BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!"

To be fair Bush and U.S. Congress stripped more rights from US citizens than Obama could dream of yet Obama never repelled the Patriot Act.


I mean... Bush did strip a lot of peoples rights... but at least he didn't take your right to not be blown the fuck up by a drone whenever you decide to take an out of country vacation.

Or your right as a citizen to not be detained without due process.

Obama has taken away less rights, but he's taken away more critical core rights... and nobody has said anything about it because the people who normally would complain mosty feel the need to protect their guy.



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Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:
badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:


Come on now... that's actual politicians and stuff... not just random interent goers.

That's totally different.

Correct.

I also would have accepted, "It's different when we do it!!!!11" or, "But that was under BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!"

To be fair Bush and U.S. Congress stripped more rights from US citizens than Obama could dream of yet Obama never repelled the Patriot Act.


I mean... Bush did strip a lot of peoples rights... but at least he didn't take your right to not be blown the fuck up by a drone whenever you decide to take an out of country vacation.

Or your right as a citizen to not be detained without due process.

Obama has taken away less rights, but he's taken away more critical core rights... and nobody has said anything about it because the people who normally would complain mosty feel the need to protect their guy.

Thought that was in the Patriot Act.  That you could be detained without trial/due process if you were labeled an enemy combatant.



sethnintendo said:

To be fair Bush and U.S. Congress stripped more rights from US citizens than Obama could dream of yet Obama never repealed the Patriot Act.

NDAA and the kill list say otherwise.

The kill list was something even the Bush administration thought was a bridge too far.



sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:
badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:


Come on now... that's actual politicians and stuff... not just random interent goers.

That's totally different.

Correct.

I also would have accepted, "It's different when we do it!!!!11" or, "But that was under BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!"

To be fair Bush and U.S. Congress stripped more rights from US citizens than Obama could dream of yet Obama never repelled the Patriot Act.


I mean... Bush did strip a lot of peoples rights... but at least he didn't take your right to not be blown the fuck up by a drone whenever you decide to take an out of country vacation.

Or your right as a citizen to not be detained without due process.

Obama has taken away less rights, but he's taken away more critical core rights... and nobody has said anything about it because the people who normally would complain mosty feel the need to protect their guy.

Thought that was in the Patriot Act.  That you could be detained without trial/due process if you were labeled an enemy combatant.

I don't believe so... because the NDAA felt the need to make this the case.



badgenome said:
sethnintendo said:

To be fair Bush and U.S. Congress stripped more rights from US citizens than Obama could dream of yet Obama never repealed the Patriot Act.

NDAA and the kill list say otherwise.

The kill list was something even the Bush administration thought was a bridge too far.

Remember when Bush vetoed the torture bill and then the Senate override him?  He signed it into law with a stipulation that he didn't have to follow it.  I'm just waiting till we become full blown fascist or dictatorship.



In the United States, indefinite detention has been used to hold terror suspects. This process, which has been highly controversial, is currently under review.[5] According to the American Civil Liberties Union, section 412 of the USA PATRIOT act permits indefinite detention of immigrants;[6] one of the most highly publicized cases has been that of Jose Padilla,[7] whose ultimate prosecution and conviction in the United States have also been highly controversial.[8] The International Red Cross has criticized the indefinite detention of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.[9]

On December 5, 2008, the United States Supreme Court announced that it will rule on indefinite detention.[10] On November 29, 2011, the United States Senate rejected a proposed amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 ("NDAA") that would have banned indefinite detention by the United States government of its own citizens,[11] leading to criticism that Habeas corpus in the United States has been undermined.[12][13] Congress and Senate approved the National Defense Authorization Act in December 2011 and President Barack Obama signed it December 31, 2011.[14] The new indefinite detention provision of the law was decried as a "historic assault on American liberty."[15] The American Civil Liberties Union stated that “President Obama's action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law.”[16] On May 16, 2012, in response to a lawsuit filed by journalist Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Naomi Wolf and others[17], United States District Judge Katherine B. Forrest ruled the indefinite detention section of the law (1021) likely violates the 1st and 5th Amendments and issued a preliminary injunction preventing the US government from enforcing it.[18][19][20][21][22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indefinite_detention

Sounds more like it was a policy first started with Bush then Obama and Senate followed suit and expanded on it.