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pokymon90 said:

after adding up all the signees of the states I got about 500,000 signatures to get their state to have their own goverment.  So why not just give them North Dakota who have a population around 800.000 to make everybody happy.

 

With these numbers I think there is a good chance of 1 million signatures combined by the due date of December 9.

And give up all that Oil money and the fastest growing state in the union as far as GDP goes?



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mike_intellivision said:
Regardless of what side of any of these issues you fall -- it shows how easy it is to gather "signatures" in the Internet age. I wonder how many of the people signing these petitions can be verified to actually be eligible to sign them (registered voter in that state).

This also shows why companies pretty much ignore petitions from gamers.

Mike from Morgantown


Hello i kind of read up on the terms of the website, and it states that you do not have to be part of that state to vote for something in that state.



badgenome said:

So now that there's a couple of petitions to deport everyone who signed a petition in favor of secession, I've taken the liberty of creating a petition to deport all of those people.

You were just talked about on CNN man! Erin Burnett mentioned your Petition after laughing about Texas making a petition. Too bad it wasn't FOX. It might have been for another petition though. Since yours only got 2 signatures!  The number of signatures is at around 550,000 right now nationwide to secede from nation.  I think people would care more about this if there was just 1 big petition with about 20 states involved and it getting 2 to 3 million signatures in 1 month.



Allfreedom99 said:
the_dengle said:
mai said:

Oh well, it's long way to go from current 50k, and there's still a chance people who signed petition are going to be deported :D
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL

lol. Of course they did.

That's funny, but stupid. People have a right to petition that their state withdraw from the Union. It won't happen, and it's an exercise in futility, but at least they're expressing their racism dissatisfaction in a polite, legal, nonviolent manner. As long as they all continue about their regular lives in a few months instead of keeping up this ridiculousness like they have the past 4 years -- seriously, he's the President. People who don't like it can move to another country -- but good luck finding a country more "conservative" than Texas.

This gets pretty annoying coming from leftists. I don't know your personally held ideologies or if this is just to try to straw man conservative individuals positions. I am sure there are people with racist leaning beliefs on both the left and the right.

That argument is just to try to belittle a conservative's position against Obama. If you really believe that most very conservative individuals are just Racists, sexists, and bigots then you don't have a proper understanding of their ideology and what they believe. Im sure a small number of them are those things. But I am sure that you will find at least the same number of people that are truly racist, sexist and bigots on the far left.

Relax man, it was a joke. The whole point of my post was pretty much much defending the rights of people to petition to secede, why'd you have to accentuate the one part where I was just taking a dig at Texas?



Someone needs to explain to that Texas guy that it takes more money from the country that it gives. I don't know why, but pretty much all the Red states (that voted for Romney) are on state welfare from the rest of the county. The are the 'entitled parasites' they accuse others of being.

I had a friend that asked me, "Isn't Obama a Communist?" from a guy that has been living off of Social Security for the last 5+ years; he is in his early 40s. I hoped there was a hidden camera somewhere.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

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spurgeonryan said:
RolStoppable said:
spurgeonryan said:

I think if anyone were to secede from the States it would be Texas. But I doubt anything would ever happen. Would be interesting if someone did secede right when Portugal joined.

Portugal is a country in Africa.


Brazilian people speak Portugese.

how much is a brazilian?



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

badgenome said:
BasilZero said:
badgenome said:

So now that there's a couple of petitions to deport everyone who signed a petition in favor of secession, I've taken the liberty of creating a petition to deport all of those people.

LOL! Did you really make that or did someone else make that XD?

I really made it.

Jeff? Your name is ...Jeff?



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Zappykins said:
Someone needs to explain to that Texas guy that it takes more money from the country that it gives.

Except... it mostly doesn't. 

Or for the raw data

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

That's really only been a recent case  and practically EVERY state is receiving more money back from the government then it paid in taxes because of out of control government spending.

In 2009, 45 States received more in money from the state then they paid in taxes. 



Sorry, but yes it is true.  Texas also often recieves most of the FEMA aid.  The country would be better off in many ways without it. (But I have family there, don't really want to see it go.)

"The citizens of Texas certainly pay into the federal government, but multiple studies have found that they get even more in return. Over a 25 year period, Texans have, on average, received more in federal money than they have paid into the system"

http://www.examiner.com/article/states-most-wanting-to-secede-also-receive-the-most-federal-money



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

Zappykins said:

Sorry, but yes it is true.  Texas also often recieves most of the FEMA aid.  The country would be better off in many ways without it. (But I have family there, don't really want to see it go.)

"The citizens of Texas certainly pay into the federal government, but multiple studies have found that they get even more in return. Over a 25 year period, Texans have, on average, received more in federal money than they have paid into the system"

http://www.examiner.com/article/states-most-wanting-to-secede-also-receive-the-most-federal-money

If you actually bothered to go to the source they cited, you would have noted they cited it incorrectly.  Which is why it conflicts with the data I've provided.

From his source...


"Is Texas really getting more for less? To back up Maddow, MSNBC spokeswoman Lauren Skowronski pointed us to the most recent state-by-state analysis of federal tax burdens and spending by the Washington-based Tax Foundation, a business-backed tax policy group. It covers the 25-year period between 1981 and 2005.

According to the analysis, Texans paid about $147 billion in federal taxes in 2005 while the state received $149 billion in federal spending. That year, 33 other states also got, as Maddow put it, more money back than residents paid in."

In otherwords...  in 2005.  It received 2 billion more then it recieved.

The rest of the 25 years weren't actually mentioned... or referred to, because Texas spent more then it received in most of those as shown by the above, or if the guy would of read a few more sentence down in what he cited.


" On an annual basis, however, there were only six years in that time period when Texas residents paid fewer dollars in federal taxes than they got in return, according to the foundation."

 


So you got yourself caught up in a case of lazy journalism there, of someone who had an idea in their head, and stopped reading once they thought they found a justification to their original hypothesis. 

 

Like I said, Texas mostly pays more then it receives, the opposite has only become true recently, since the deficit has started increasing so much.