|Bitmap Frogs said:|
Well, when this site started ioi wasn't much reasonable about disclosing his sources and methodology - that didn't make much for vgcharts rep at neogaf. Also, the neogaf guys need to keep in good relationship with npd - so far the brief snippet they release monthly is the only reliable bit of american sales data they get and want to preserve it. Add 2+2 together and you'll see why vgchartz is banned over at neogaf.
Wait what do you mean by the "2+2" comment? Are you actually saying that they ban mentions of VGC for fear of reprisal from NPD?
To my knowledge there was a deal with GAF and NPD that resulted in the several pieces of info being released each month provided they would prevent people from posting all of their data through nefarious means. So it would seem NPD has more to lose than neogaf. Unless they traded the info on how the information was obtained for that priveledge?
But more to the point if NPD reprisal would come as a result of VGC acceptance then doesn't that essentially say that NPD feels threatened by VGC and thus lend it a certain amount of credability from the source most folks at neogaf consider the only trustworthy source?
I have a hard time believing NPD would even care about VGC if they honestly felt their numbers were off-base. If that were the case then each new release of data would prove this and it wouldn't take long for people to stop caring. But each new release of data consistently shows the two data sets to be within 10% of each other. Which when you consider that they are BOTH estimations means that they confirm each other.
Honestly I think neogaf has fallen into one of the many dangers of censorship. Which is that if people aren't allowed to discuss "it" then it only breeds ignorance of what cannot be discussed. I've discussed this issue with a number of people from neogaf before on this site and others and the one constant is that they always discuss what happened a year or more ago and generally know very little about what this site has done in the here and now. The reason is because as neogaf members they are never exposed to what really goes on over here or what the site is really about, instead they are exposed to a lot of hard feelings over something that happened a while ago and they only get one side of that argument.
VGC today is a lot different than VGC 6 months ago when I joined. VGC today is a helluva lot differnt than a year ago when I started lurking. However long ago this scuffle with ioi and gaf mods occurred I can tell you that a lot of things have changed, and from what I have seen neither side has really been communicating but just going off the last known scenario...which clearly doesn't apply anymore.
Perhaps its time for people to let go of the past and live in the here and now. And in the here and now VGC data is out before NPD and they usually agree on hardware numbers (software is a whole other bag but I don't think anyone will argue that software has issues still). In addition to just numbers are the tools and features to graph, chart, tabulate, etc... all of the data so that it is readily available. I just have a hard time seeing how an argument from more than a year ago means an entire community turns their back on those features.