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EU wins Nobel peace Prize. No... seriously, they did!

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it's always been stupid, I like how it's only when Obama and the EU get it that people wake up to that fact...



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Kasz216 said:
Faxanadu said:
@Kasz216: I disagree.

The question is though....

why?

 

After WW2, the US had nuclear weapons.  Russia soon developed them, and the cold war struck.

Would there really have been a war in Europe among western Europe during the cold war?   When the majority of the countries, at least starting out were requiring US help to rebuild... and feared Russia capturing the continent?

What stopped Europeon agression was europe no longer being the top dogs.


If you were to give ANY orgnaization the nobel peace prize for stopping wars in Europe... it'd be Nato.  (Or you could give a peace prize to the cold war.  Stupid, but more fitting then the EU.)

Germany and France weren't going to go to war with each other when they were in a huge military alliance vs russia.

YES. 

Blindingly obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. 



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haxxiy said:
maximrace said:
Kowen lol the EU deserves this... There hasn't been a peace in europe for this long since the roman empire. So it's not because you hate it ( like we all know) that they don't deserve it. The EU is the future of europe.... You better get used to it because it won't take long before the EU becomes a complete political union like the usa

Move NATO away from the balkans for instance and in a few years the map is going to be redrawn.


I pray to God for this to happen



This is a pathetic award for a pathetic organisation. I feel sorry for Croatia who join in July 2013 and for Iceland who have applied to join. Go sort it out Pezus!



It felt as though this price was more of a consolidation at a time when the EU is in utter shambles due to the massive debts the countries have acquired, people being driven out of homes/jobs and countries such as Greece/Spain are thinking of leaving the Eurozone. More of a last ditch effort to try and make people still have faith in this alliance when things are just falling apart.

Funny enough, this reminds me somewhat of the League of Nations formed after WW1 and we know how that went.



 

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Faxanadu said:
@Kasz216: I disagree.


Why?



@kowenicki

As much as i agree with you pal, your argument should have been Europe has been a political mess hidden under a falacy of good will and peace. That would have done it, some strange fact and nonsense been thrown around in here.

All in all Europe is still recovering from WWII and drigging itself into another political mess with the Euro and the shortsightedness of the decision to adopt the Euro so vastly across countries that couldn't afford to be supported in times of recession.

Europe should never been considered for a prize such as this, just as an idea it doesn't work at all, as a large political system with so many variences and false relationships it makes no sense.

I'm from the UK and follow many here in saying the EU for us is a bad idea, with the costs of just being in the union nevermind the costs of helping fund projects and movements with the system it's a finacial sink hole we could do without, the only issue comes if/when the current trade routes and deals we have inplace collapse, we could be left out in the dark.



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For what it's worth. I think the EU can be done effectively, and likely will.

It's just to do so they need an American like system with more federal government... right now the European Union kind of resembling the "Articles of Confederation" in the United States.

Although arguably a stupider one, because i believe each state had it's own money under the AoC... because the federal money was worthless.


That said, I think that the politicians are somewhat presenting the EU in a dishonest way to the European people for support... knowing that once these more "moderate" webs are attached, a full on EU government is needed eventually.



Kasz216 said:
For what it's worth. I think the EU can be done effectively, and likely will.

It's just to do so they need an American like system with more federal government... right now the European Union kind of resembling the "Articles of Confederation" in the United States.

Although arguably a stupider one, because i believe each state had it's own money under the AoC... because the federal money was worthless.


That said, I think that the politicians are somewhat presenting the EU in a dishonest way to the European people for support... knowing that once these more "moderate" webs are attached, a full on EU government is needed eventually.

The EU cannot be done effectively. That requires some level of competance from the politicians.

But... why would you want it done effectively? (I'm not sure if you do, but the implication from this post is that you want it to succeed).