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the2real4mafol said:
RoryGamesFree said:
the2real4mafol said:
RoryGamesFree said:
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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
the2real4mafol said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
RoryGamesFree said:
as Mormons exist I think this thread grossly overestimates human beings intelligence...


Uh... What? Are you suggesting that Mormons are less intelligent than other religious and non-religious people?

Source?

They have some stupid beliefs don't you think? For example, they believe women can't go to heaven (if there is one!) without permission from her husband, and if she goes to heaven, she is forever pregnant with spirit children! I suppose there are stupid believes with every religion but that is pretty stupid. Also, Mitt Romney who is a mormon (moron!) says stupid things all the time. Just like anything though, there are stupid and smart people, despite what Romney says, i'm sure there are smart mormons


So am I. Hinduism, for example, contains lots of outright ridiculous gods that they worship, but that doesn't confirm that hindus are less intelligent than other people.

It's almost like saying a certain race is inferior to all the others, which is what nazis believe 

please do not compare people believing in a religion based on some junkie kids acid trip by choice to people being a colour skin at birth, that is disgusting.

If you believe a race or religious group is inferior to yours, then you are a nazi. There believes were based on that master race rules all crap, it may be an extreme case of it, but that's how I see it. But some people belief they are a superior person just because they are white and christian, Mormon's belief that. Just look up some mormon beliefs on black people


race is real, religion is not, comparing the two is like comparing horses and unicorns.

Mormon's belive a bunch of egotistial horseshite that some drugged up kid claims was imparted to him in a vision, which anyone with a brain cell knows was a drug trip, it's only popular cause he threw in a bunch of bs about how great the USA was, people who believe that shit are morons.

yeah well but if they believe in the greatness of the USA, then it makes no sense that they exist in Europe. For one thing though, you don't need a mormon leader


just means idiots here as well sadly. it's no coincidence there name is basically "moron" with an extra "m" probably for "muppet" as it describes them to a T.



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cityprey said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
cityprey said:

Haha, the whole question tries to be clever and hide the fact that any kind of philosophical basic perception, is in fact a "religion" or any sort of "fanaticism" no matter how you see it. So yes, if you extinct all religious fanaticism, whether is theistic, agnostic or atheistic, they would all come back, but the fact is that theism always arises first and without it, there would be no atheism or agnosticism. So would this suggest, that theism is the default natural perception in our nature and so the logical one? and the other just the twisted and unnatural versions of it?


Are you saying that if everyone lost their faith, or an even more extreme example; if every theist was killed, there would be no atheism? That makes no sense. If people don't believe in a single god then they are atheist. It's that simple.

And science has nothing to do with religion. One is based on belief, the other is based on facts and scientific theories.

You are making an assumption again that atheism is not a basic perceptionand in a way a religion again, but the fact is that it is. It is a belief based on the philoshopy of naturalism. It bases it dogmatic claims from science, but this is a self promoted authority, science in itself is based on universal logical and mathematical truths(not facts) so it does not have any kind of reasonable ground for any athiestic or naturalistic claim it to be true, you just have to believe. An example argument would be "if it's not proven in a laboratory it's not true" but this kind of claim is simply not true and is just a inductive reasoning therefore, there are a lot things you can not prove scientifically, but still are true, mainly logical and mathematical truths, the big bang theory has not been proven, so you have to believe in it, but still it's 99% to be true.  I didn't quite understand your example, but what you have to understand is that faith is everything that we are, wheter it includes a God or not, it's still faith. All I said was that, if all beliefs including atheism would be wiped out, then naturally our first perception would be, that there is a God. Remember though you are mixing to subject with your question too. You are making the assumption that theistic religions = existence of God, these should be treated seperately, the logical reasoning for the existence of God is in our basic nature like I pointed out. But the religions we invent based on that deep natural question is totally different matter. Your question also is flawed in a way that is already has a dogmatic view that science and tested fact are the only base of true understanding, this is also not true, and the whole claim is not even scientific but rather philosophical, so how would you would have to prove that claim to be true scientifically for me to believe it in order for the claim to be true, but that is impossible of course, so I would just have to believe in what you say, or who ever told you that and so it becomes marely dogmatic again no matter how scientifically you dress it it is stll not logical.

Wow, that paragraph is a texbook example.



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Jay520 said:
KungKras said:
They would most likely remain extinct. I mean, has any dead religion ever been revived in history?

In the past, whenever a religion went extinct, there were plenty of other religions that existed. Which left people with abundant oppurtunities to exercise their inner desire for meaning, without the need to resurect past religions. On the contrary, The1 is proposing that all religions will become extinct. If that does happen, then people won't have any existing means to search. Extinct religions will be their only source for search (or new religions altogether), so there's a greater chance for a religion to be ressurected in The1's scenario than what we've seen in the past.

I get where you're coming from. but that is If you look only at when religions in the past dissapeared.

Like someone else said in the thread about scandinavia, 45 - 80 percent of us are atheist, and it's growing. We're not replacing religion with anything even though people still marry in churches, etc.

Look at those two situations and connect the dots.



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RoryGamesFree said:
the2real4mafol said:
RoryGamesFree said:
the2real4mafol said:
RoryGamesFree said:
the2real4mafol said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
the2real4mafol said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
RoryGamesFree said:
as Mormons exist I think this thread grossly overestimates human beings intelligence...


Uh... What? Are you suggesting that Mormons are less intelligent than other religious and non-religious people?

Source?

They have some stupid beliefs don't you think? For example, they believe women can't go to heaven (if there is one!) without permission from her husband, and if she goes to heaven, she is forever pregnant with spirit children! I suppose there are stupid believes with every religion but that is pretty stupid. Also, Mitt Romney who is a mormon (moron!) says stupid things all the time. Just like anything though, there are stupid and smart people, despite what Romney says, i'm sure there are smart mormons


So am I. Hinduism, for example, contains lots of outright ridiculous gods that they worship, but that doesn't confirm that hindus are less intelligent than other people.

It's almost like saying a certain race is inferior to all the others, which is what nazis believe 

please do not compare people believing in a religion based on some junkie kids acid trip by choice to people being a colour skin at birth, that is disgusting.

If you believe a race or religious group is inferior to yours, then you are a nazi. There believes were based on that master race rules all crap, it may be an extreme case of it, but that's how I see it. But some people belief they are a superior person just because they are white and christian, Mormon's belief that. Just look up some mormon beliefs on black people


race is real, religion is not, comparing the two is like comparing horses and unicorns.

Mormon's belive a bunch of egotistial horseshite that some drugged up kid claims was imparted to him in a vision, which anyone with a brain cell knows was a drug trip, it's only popular cause he threw in a bunch of bs about how great the USA was, people who believe that shit are morons.

yeah well but if they believe in the greatness of the USA, then it makes no sense that they exist in Europe. For one thing though, you don't need a mormon leader


just means idiots here as well sadly. it's no coincidence there name is basically "moron" with an extra "m" probably for "muppet" as it describes them to a T.

the name just fits mormons perfectly



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Jay520 said:
cityprey said:

You are making an assumption again that atheism is not a basic perceptionand in a way a religion again, but the fact is that it is. It is a belief based on the philoshopy of naturalism. It bases it dogmatic claims from science, but this is a self promoted authority, science in itself is based on universal logical and mathematical truths(not facts) so it does not have any kind of reasonable ground for any athiestic or naturalistic claim it to be true, you just have to believe. An example argument would be "if it's not proven in a laboratory it's not true" but this kind of claim is simply not true and is just a inductive reasoning therefore, there are a lot things you can not prove scientifically, but still are true, mainly logical and mathematical truths, the big bang theory has not been proven, so you have to believe in it, but still it's 99% to be true.  I didn't quite understand your example, but what you have to understand is that faith is everything that we are, wheter it includes a God or not, it's still faith. All I said was that, if all beliefs including atheism would be wiped out, then naturally our first perception would be, that there is a God. Remember though you are mixing to subject with your question too. You are making the assumption that theistic religions = existence of God, these should be treated seperately, the logical reasoning for the existence of God is in our basic nature like I pointed out. But the religions we invent based on that deep natural question is totally different matter. Your question also is flawed in a way that is already has a dogmatic view that science and tested fact are the only base of true understanding, this is also not true, and the whole claim is not even scientific but rather philosophical, so how would you would have to prove that claim to be true scientifically for me to believe it in order for the claim to be true, but that is impossible of course, so I would just have to believe in what you say, or who ever told you that and so it becomes marely dogmatic again no matter how scientifically you dress it it is stll not logical.

Atheism isn't a belief.

Atheism is a belief... but of non believing



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the2real4mafol said:

Atheism is a belief... but of non believing


atheists do not believe god(s) exist. Nor do they all believe god(s) doesn't exist. So believe god(s) doesn't exist, but they don't represent all atheists. In it's broadest sense, atheism covers all people who do not believe in a God, regardless of whether they believe a god doesn't exist.



Jay520 said:
the2real4mafol said:

Atheism is a belief... but of non believing


atheists do not believe god(s) exist. Nor do they all believe god(s) doesn't exist. So believe god(s) doesn't exist, but they don't represent all atheists. In it's broadest sense, atheism covers all people who do not believe in a God, regardless of whether they believe a god doesn't exist.

Basically what I said, Atheists don't believe in god or gods. 



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the2real4mafol said:
Jay520 said:

Atheism isn't a belief.

Atheism is a belief... but of non believing

Atheism is the explicit lack of a belief in a deity.

What you're saying is that not doing anything is a sport... but of non-sporting.



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the2real4mafol said:
Jay520 said:
the2real4mafol said:

Atheism is a belief... but of non believing


atheists do not believe god(s) exist. Nor do they all believe god(s) doesn't exist. So believe god(s) doesn't exist, but they don't represent all atheists. In it's broadest sense, atheism covers all people who do not believe in a God, regardless of whether they believe a god doesn't exist.

Basically what I said, Atheists don't believe in god or gods. 

But they also don't necessarily believe in the inexistence of a god.

so atheism is not a belief



ArnoldRimmer said:
Soleron said:
The more interesting question I thought you were asking is: would any religion survive a resurrection of Jesus (as in, provably so). Assuming Jesus could make rulings on exactly how to be a Christian, would the "wrong" denominations with conflicting beliefs disappear? Would Islam disappear, given that it regards Jesus as A prophet but not THE prophet? Would unrelated religions disappear?

Actually, Islam has always expected Jesus to return. The difference to the christian "second coming"-belief is that they basically expect two "messiahs" will come in company: One being Jesus Christ, the other being the hidden twelveth Iman Al-Mahdi (who, by the way, is the legitimite ruler of Iran according to their constitution - so if one wanted to overthrow the iranian government, all he had to come up with was a person credibly claiming to be Al-Mahdi ;) ).

When Ahmadinejad gave his UN speech about 2 weeks ago, he even dedicated more than one whole page of his speech to this topic, how great it's going to be and even claimed this would happen soon. It was quite bizarre and I'm still wondering why not a single media over here even mentioned this, for I think it would have matched the usual "crazy Ahmadinejad"-stereotype perfectly.

So Islam would hardly disappear, it would rather prove their beliefs. I think there would be more danger to judaism, for according to the talmud, Jesus is forced to rot in hell forever, swimming in boiling hot excrements...

Yes Muslims believe in the second coming of Jesus, but what you've said about the Mahdi is correct and incorrect.

The hidden 12th Imam belief belongs to a sect called the twelvers who constitute about 10-15% of the muslim population. You might know these people as the Shia. Iran is mostly Shia.

The rest are Sunnis who also believe in Mahdi, but do not believe he is some person who has been invisible/hiding for 1200 years or so. He will just be a normal person born, but will have role of leadership in the arabian peninsula.