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How (un)successful do you want your unfavorable company to be?

I want them obliterated! 36 33.03%
 
Not obliterated; just les... 41 37.61%
 
Just not extrememly more ... 15 13.76%
 
I don't care how successful they are. 17 15.60%
 
Total:109
Chandler on 01 October 2012
man-bear-pig said:

It's a sexual turn-on for me when I see Sony or Nintys share price fall. Even thinking about it is making me aroused... *sets pillow on lap to hide erection*

Same for me with Microsoft. I would not shed a tear would they drop out of the console industry. It's not like they would go bankrupt anyway.



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amp316 on 01 October 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Surely, I can't be the only one who orders a pizza each time bad Sony news pops up?


How can you afford all of that pizza?  Do you eat it all or are you feeding some to your dog?



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sales2099 on 01 October 2012
Jay520 said:
amp316 said:
I personally don't want to see any of the "big three" fail. More competition breeds a better gaming environment for everyone. While I have to admit that I found some of Sony's stumbles a bit amusing, I don't want to see them go belly up. The console wars are kind of like professional sports. I always cheer for the Bears to beat the Packers (and hope they do), but the NFL wouldn't be as successful or the same without those darned cheeseheads.
On the other hand, if the Miami Heat disappeared from the face of the planet I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Thankfully, gaming doesn't have a Miami Heat.


Sales2099 used the Sports analogy before, but it doesn't really hold weight.

 

Fans of gaming are nothing like fans of sports. The entire purpose of sports is to have one particular team be victorious. And in sports, a team's victory is entirely dependent upon another team's loss. It's not possible for two teams to win in the same competition. Therefore, it would be pretty difficult for a person to root for two different teams when competiting. If you identify yourself as an X fan, you're going to inherently want the Y team to fail as they could prevent X team from maximum success.

The opposite is true for gaming fans, at least most of us. It is quite possible for multiple companies in the gaming industries to be successful. There does not need to be a loser to allow for another company's success. I sports, success is dependent upon how much better you are than the other teams. In the gaming industry, success doesn't have to be doing-better-than-the-other-company. In order for one console to succeed, the other console does not need to lose or fail. 

 

Youd think so.

You can be a success in your own right, but still loose in sales. The sports analogy holds merit in that sales determines victory, regardless of individual corporate measures of the term "success".

But where the anaology is most accurate is the sheer loyalty. Sports fans are loyal to a city and people on the team that have little to not relation to the actual fan.....except that the person lives in that town. Its just buildings and dirt and imaginery borders, yet this team somehow represents this fan. When the team wins, the city wins, and by extension, the fan wins.

Gaming fans identify with the corporation and console they make because they identify with what the console offers. When the console gets an exclusive, timed DLC, whatever that gives it a competritive edge, its a victory for the fan. When the console sells more then the biggest competitor, its a win because thei opinion that their console is the best is validated in the sales numbers.

You seem to ignore that comparison....how both groups are extremely loyal and identify with the image of the team/console.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 on 01 October 2012
Chark said:
sales2099 said:

I have openly stated my feelings against Sony, but not for the reasons most assume. Simply put, I cant stand PS3 fan fanatics. Every multiconsole forum on the internet is rife with near religious reverence to Sony/PS3, despite what real world statistics/numbers tell us.

So when Sony makes a mistake, it brings me pleasure not that the company is failing, but it puts those fanatics in their place. That their snappy comebacks and Xbox venom get brought up short when Sony closes a studio or posts a quarterly loss.

"If" Sony goes the Sega route in gaming, which I myself very much doubt, I always wonder what those Sony fanatics will say then. Where will be the RROD, Xbot, 360 has no exclusives smugness then? The internet will be a much better place. But for now, I am content with the day or two of their silence that gets bought when bad Sony news comes out.

But to answer your question, it brings me pleasure in general when cocky and smug people get whats coming to them. It helps me with the satisfaction that the gaming internet will be a better place for the rest of gamers.


But is it worth becoming the monster that you hate? Your impulses have overtaken you on many occasions and you are no longer any different than the fanatics you despise. You might think it above you, justify that it is reactionary to the harshness of blinded fans, in a way it is, but what seperates taking shots at RRoD and taking shots at a fanatic user base. There is a fine line between consumer opinion and fanatasism. Do you know where the lines blur? Is there a saftey net for that tight rope? We pray one day that the hate will escape you and for your return to humanity.

*cough* and buy a PS3 *cough* 

Did you hear something? Could of sworn I heard some kind bird or a dog or something. Anyway, cheers!

I see what your saying. But I justify that with the knowledge that the 360 fanbase on the internet is an all time low and I am but one person.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

happydolphin on 01 October 2012
Jay520 said:
happydolphin said:

I do believe that historically Sony fans have been much more vocal about the superiority of the brand they preferred, and very ennerving it was for two long generations (PS1 and PS2), and that trends finally began fizzling out just lately with the relatively low performance of the PS3 sales (esp. at launch) and now of the Vita. So yeah, it makes me happy when the people who spoke so loud against Nintendo for so long get something coming to them. It also makes me happy when an industry that was led by Nintendo turns to Sony and all the media and buzz is around Sony and bashing Nintendo, it would make one happy when all that is squashed, as one's had their excitement equally squashed.


At bolded: you're talking about things that occured over six years ago. It's not even possible to 'get even' with those specific people. It makes one wonder: how long do you resent people for something that happened so long ago by a group of people who don't even see anymore?

As for Sony fans being the most vocal, I don't think that's the case today (or since 2006, for that matter). There's nothing inherent about any specific fanbase that makes them the most vocal. The vocalness of a fanbase seems to mirror the success or apparent success of the fanbase's favorite company. For example, with the 3DS and the Wii U coming soon, Nintendo fans are the most vocal imo.

@bold. Yeah, I've noticed that too personally. Some Nintendo fans irk me, but it's nothing like the pompous superiority Playstation fans demonstrated in the past, and I believe that that was a product of two things:

1) Brand image attracts a certain type of crowd.

2) PR is contagious. (Wii is a gimmick, etc etc).

@italics. It's all in my head Jay. That's why it's important not to let that spread. But it's tough, especially when you feel like your joy has been walked all over it. It could also be a pride thing, in that since I associated with Nintendo for the longest part of my life, seeing it get toppled, ridiculed and just defeated, I took it personally and it hurt my pride. I identified to the company because it was part of who I was, what I grew up around, kind of like a form of patroitism. I'm not justifying it, I'm trying to describe it, whether it's good or bad.



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Chark on 01 October 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Surely, I can't be the only one who orders a celebratory pizza each time bad Sony news pops up?


In the news: Sony purchases well know pizza franchise. Financial problems fixed over night.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Slimebeast on 01 October 2012

I admit, I'm a fanboy at heart, although I justify that by being the guy who roots for the underdog. And the motivation for that is sympathy for the weak. So basically I'm a good person.

With that said, I want:

Sony - Not obliterated; just less successful than my favorite company (yes, I'm still an MS fanboy, even though Sony has the better product. For the reason why I dislike Sony see sales2099's motivation above).

Intel - I want them obliterated. (AMD 4 life)

Nvidia - I (almost) want them obliterated (I don't like their cocky PR & marketing style. Plus I adore Radeon cards).

Apple - I want them obliterated (I don't like anything about them, never did, not even when they were a midget and I hate them now that they own everything and everyone loves them).

Activision - I want them obliterated (evil company and bad for gamers).



Sal.Paradise on 01 October 2012

Yes of course I revel in other people's displeasure, I am a rampant Sony fantard and as everyone has said in this thread we are the absolute worst of the worst.



Jay520 on 01 October 2012
sales2099 said:

(1.) It is irritating when people openly deny the facts in front of them. Your company is tanking by comparison, you have less games, less 70-90+ metacritic games, last place in sales, (2.) yet you act superior to everyone else. That kind of mentality disgusts me. I wish that people see what happens in the real world and act accordingly on the internet, or at least be more humbled.

I am not a Nintendo fan. Nintendo fans are good in my book because they do not have that smugness, despite winning the gen.

I am a Xbox fan with my own biases. Very perceptive. (3.) But putting Sony fans in their place benfits everyone, not just my camp. And obviously, my camp is the target of the Sony smugness and venom.

(4.) You openly deny that Sony fans arent the majority on the gaming internet then you have no business with threads like these. You adopt the were all equal approach, openly ignoring the trends. You dont have to look far beyond me to find people openly say how forums like N4G are infested by that crowd.


1st bolded: I never see any Sony fan saying "the PS3 has been the most successful console this gen." What I normally see is "the PS3 has the best games" or an opinion like that. This is subjective, so there are no facts being denied. From my perspective, it doesn't look like you want them to see the facts (we've all seen the facts, what more do you want?). You seem like you want PS3 fans to be miserable and suppress expressing their pleasure with the PS3.

2nd bolded: How so? Specifically, what do Sony fans do that other fans don't?

3rd Bolded: What do you mean "in their place"? Again, this suggests that you want them to be miserable going around constantly moaning about the fact that Sony is struggling. What do you want?

4th Bolded: That's not what I said. I said there is a similar 'percentage' of smugness between all three fanbases. So, for every 5 Sony fans, there is one 'smug' fan. For ever 5 Microsoft fans, there is on smug fan. Give or take a few percentages, and it's basically the same. The only thing that distorts these percentages are your own biases.

And like Chark said, you're acting like the very vocal and smug fanatics that you dispise.



happydolphin on 01 October 2012
Sal.Paradise said:
Yes of course I revel in other people's displeasure, I am a rampant Sony fantard and as everyone has said in this thread we are the absolute worst of the worst.

You are not, others have been.