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gigantor21 said:
Just makes you wonder what the hell we're going to be using in 2023... :p

But yeah. Handhelds don't have nearly the kind of directing power as consoles in terms of how hardware is utilized, as mobile games don't require as big an investment as console and PC stuff. The controls and software available to the Vita will be far more important to it's survival than the malleable "console in your pocket" promotion they've been doing.

I couldn't even wager a guess on that one. We're actually up to the Hexadeca-Cores now (16 cores) and they are commercially available now. So think about it. Seven years from dual core to 16! It gets pretty amazing.

But you're right. See, for the PS3, ten year plan is fine I think. Maybe a little long there too, but consoles seem to be able to manage a lot better. A year or two from now, Samsung, Apple or, who knows, maybe Microsoft, Nokia or Blackberry, will likely release a smartphone that will be more powerful than the Vita and games will continue to get more and more advanced for tablets and those same phones. We're actually in an age where the leaps are going to make non-console gaming a really, really weird place.

I don't envy Sony on this one. They're going to need to work hard for the Vita.



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Chandler said:
fillet said:
Chandler said:
fillet said:

That's just your assumption, you have no evidence whatsoever to support that claim.

You made a very direct statement and I would therefore ask you to back it up.


It's an assumption either way. That's part of the fun when you look into the future. But since you didn't back up your assumption (how could you) I don't see how I am obliged to back up mine.

 

"If the official price is lowered then that promotional price will be lowered....duh."

That's pretty direct if you ask me ;P


Your assumption goes against the status quo. Mine goes with logic, so therefore the burden is on you to provide evidence to backup what you say.

It would be a logical assumption to state that if the base price of a console is reduced, then any other promotions on top would result in a lower price of the overall package. To say otherwise is lunacy.


So you think it's reasonable that amazon will slash the price by 60€ even after the price cut? Right now you can geht the vita for 185€ if you are interest in LBP Vita. I never said there wont be any promotions at all, but they will certainly not be as steep as they are now.

That's your main point there in bold.

Good lord, what you're saying makes no sense. A "promotion" defined in english is the act of promoting something - it is offered to boost sales - it's not and act of kindness. If after a price cut a product still isn't selling like the Vita - then yes further promotions may or may not be offered depending on demand.

It's like the stock market - past performance is no indicator of the future. Past promotions mean nothing - console is popular - no promotion - console not popular - promotion and or price cut - depending on demand again.

Remember the dreamcast, remember the Xbox, remember the Saturn - When they were near EOL - promotion upon promotion was offered. The situation was different there - but it was still a "promotion".

I mean you know how this stuff works right? This isn't an act of kindness by Amazon, it's a careful calculated strategy.

The Amazon promotion is a good one indeed - but that's not the point at all. The point is - would we get similar value deals after a price cut soon after.....The answer.

 

Nobody knows!!!!!



This is pretty obvious for next year i though, as most new technology gets cheaper within 6 months to a year of launch. Also, that blue vita looks sweet



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the2real4mafol said:
This is pretty obvious for next year i though, as most new technology gets cheaper within 6 months to a year of launch. Also, that blue vita looks sweet

So basically, you're in agreement to wait for the Vita's price cut next year to dive in.  That's another brilliant idea by Sony to sabotage their systems sales this holiday!!!  With brilliant ideas like that, Microsoft doesn't need much effort in squashing the PS4 when it comes out!!!



oni-link said:
the2real4mafol said:
This is pretty obvious for next year i though, as most new technology gets cheaper within 6 months to a year of launch. Also, that blue vita looks sweet

So basically, you're in agreement to wait for the Vita's price cut next year to dive in.  That's another brilliant idea by Sony to sabotage their systems sales this holiday!!!  With brilliant ideas like that, Microsoft doesn't need much effort in squashing the PS4 when it comes out!!!

I'll just buy it when i have the money, the games i'm interested in are already there. I'm not bothered about a little price cut. I paid £300 for my PS3 but don't care that it costs just £200 now. It's only money. And i'm sure stuff like this, won't reach many ears, only hardcore gamers like us look into gaming news often



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fillet said:
Chandler said:
fillet said:
Chandler said:
fillet said:

That's just your assumption, you have no evidence whatsoever to support that claim.

You made a very direct statement and I would therefore ask you to back it up.


It's an assumption either way. That's part of the fun when you look into the future. But since you didn't back up your assumption (how could you) I don't see how I am obliged to back up mine.

 

"If the official price is lowered then that promotional price will be lowered....duh."

That's pretty direct if you ask me ;P


Your assumption goes against the status quo. Mine goes with logic, so therefore the burden is on you to provide evidence to backup what you say.

It would be a logical assumption to state that if the base price of a console is reduced, then any other promotions on top would result in a lower price of the overall package. To say otherwise is lunacy.


So you think it's reasonable that amazon will slash the price by 60€ even after the price cut? Right now you can geht the vita for 185€ if you are interest in LBP Vita. I never said there wont be any promotions at all, but they will certainly not be as steep as they are now.

That's your main point there in bold.

Good lord, what you're saying makes no sense. A "promotion" defined in english is the act of promoting something - it is offered to boost sales - it's not and act of kindness. If after a price cut a product still isn't selling like the Vita - then yes further promotions may or may not be offered depending on demand.

It's like the stock market - past performance is no indicator of the future. Past promotions mean nothing - console is popular - no promotion - console not popular - promotion and or price cut - depending on demand again.

Remember the dreamcast, remember the Xbox, remember the Saturn - When they were near EOL - promotion upon promotion was offered. The situation was different there - but it was still a "promotion".

I mean you know how this stuff works right? This isn't an act of kindness by Amazon, it's a careful calculated strategy.

The Amazon promotion is a good one indeed - but that's not the point at all. The point is - would we get similar value deals after a price cut soon after.....The answer.

 

Nobody knows!!!!!

I already said that nobody knows what will happen like 3 posts ago but thank you for circlejerking around.

 

You essentially said that your assumption is superior than mine because yours is made with the current status quo in mind. Now you tell me, quote, that past performance is no indicator of the future. Sounds like a contradiction to me.

Let me be really really specific here. I don't think neither of us is wrong since we don't know how the market and in turn big retailers would react to a price cut. So this topic is pretty much open for speculation. I don't know why you are so condescending though. Relax man.



Ongoing bet with think-man: He wins if MH4 releases in any shape or form on PSV in 2013, I win if it doesn't.

I just noticed on amazon.com that the 3 Vita bundles with a 4GB card are available for sale and pre-order for $249.99 which is a great deal compared to the standalone model for $249. There seems to be very little interest in them on amazon though as none are in the top 100 bestsellers. Are the pre-orders for the black-ops and AC3 bundles tracked on the american pre-order charts? If these bundles don't do much for the sales it will be a tough holiday season.

http://www.amazon.com/Madden-NFL-PlayStation-Vita-Wi-Fi-Bundle/dp/B002I0JZTW/ref=lp_3010556011_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1349131365&sr=1-4



CChaos said:
DirtyP2002 said:
CChaos said:

That assertion becomes even more amusing when you consider that Siemens got out of the cell phone business and sold the entire division to Benq two years after that phone was a best seller.

even more amusing when you consider that BenQ Mobile had to close down two years after Siemens sold this business. 4 years after this phone released.

Hey, that IS pretty amusing! I didn't even realize that BenQ's mobile went under.

Siemens and BenQ deliberately killed 3000 jobs within 2 years with this acquisition farce. Employees and politics begged Siemens to re-structure the division instead of selling it, as it was clear from the start what will happen. Experts warned both companies that the risks would be bigger than the benefits and that the loss of image could be substantial. Both companies didn't care. BenQ most probably just wanted the mobile technology, but definitely not the employees, Siemens wanted to get rid of their mobile department and those employees. Today Siemens is still struggling with the huge loss of image in Germany, people and local media did not forget (the company is a local big player with a long tradition, founded more than 160 years ago in Berlin with currently more than 400.000 employees). BenQ didn't struggle over here as they never had a real image anyway. I still don't really understand what their real goal was. If it was just the mobile technology, it didn't pay off. BenQ stopped making phones altogether (i.e. also in Asia) in 2008. The Siemens/BenQ case is one of the most obvious cases of corporate mismanagement of recent years.



Kenology said:

...He told Eurogamer: "We always aim to establish price cuts. So the question is not so much if, but when. We won't have an across the board pricedown this Christmas. But what you will see us doing is work very hard with our retail partners to add value to the product to make it more compelling.

"Even this week, there are some tremendously attractive bundles out there, for example Wi-fi Vita plus LittleBigPlanet at the £200 price point. There's the wi-fi product again plus FIFA 13 plus Uncharted Golden Abyss plus LittleBigPlanet at not much above the £200 price point.

"We will be working that very hard over the coming weeks as more and more software arrives."

Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida previously moved to confirm that the PS Vita will not be given a price reduction in 2012...

Ok, so where does he say 2013 Vita price cut?

Where does he mention the ammount of the price cut?

I am supposed to just assume whatever I want or what?

He just seems to be talking about bundles and stuff...



forevercloud3000 said:

All he stated was the obvious. EVERY console gets a price cut in their second year, this isn't news.

The Wii didn't get its first pricecut after three and half years?