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Player1x3 said:
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JustThatGamer said:

God of War: Ascension >>>> Bayonetta 2. 

Doubtful, as none of the God of War games so far are as good as the first Bayonetta. ;)


The Market and the critics would highly disagree

Those both gravitate towards familiar brand names.

Ok, GOW 1 sold more and got better reviews when it was still unfamiliar brand name

Standards for action games were different in 2005 to 2010 I'd argue, and GoW didn't have Bayonetta's divisive presentation.

Combat is the key factor; it's so much deeper and more fluid in Bayonetta, and that's what matters most in an action game.


Ha, and yet people still loved GOW3 (in 2010) more than Bayonetta.This is a fact And Bayonetta's divisive presentation should alone tell you something about game's quality.

And combat yeah... i loved the whole ''press triangle to do a combo'' thing

By 2010 GoW3 was a familiar franchise inflated by the memories of how great it's gameplay was... in 2005. And Bayonetta was divisive stylistically because some people are easily offended, not because it was in any way bad.

The amount of combos, abilities, variables, and the rest dwarfed the comparatively simplistic GoW system. Chaining together a wide variety of moves with dodges and tranformations at a breakneck pace made Kratos feel like an arthritic old man.



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Don't know why so many Nintendo haters there. Nintendo never failed me, it's always day 1 for me since N64 era.

Yes, I'm a fanboy. Case closed, please don't debate me.



Deegan said:
Don't know why so many Nintendo haters there. Nintendo never failed me, it's always day 1 for me since N64 era.

Yes, I'm a fanboy. Case closed, please don't debate me.


So, you don't want to debate, you are a fanboy, and can't understand why people would dislike Nintendo?

Do you see how bad your statement is?  You don't care about anything but your view. Of course you wouldn't be able to understand why people would prefer other consoles - which seemingly happens very often anymore.

 

As for the OP, there are obvious rebuttals to all of them. A well-thought out argument against the WiiU can be made. You may not like those reasons, but they exist. However, that doesn't stop you, nor should stop you, from buying the console.



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mrstickball said:
Deegan said:
Don't know why so many Nintendo haters there. Nintendo never failed me, it's always day 1 for me since N64 era.

Yes, I'm a fanboy. Case closed, please don't debate me.


So, you don't want to debate (Yes!), you are a fanboy (YES!!), and can't understand why people would dislike Nintendo (YESSS!!!)?

For the rest, please see my last sentence above ;)

 

 

Do you see how bad your statement is?  You don't care about anything but your view. Of course you wouldn't be able to understand why people would prefer other consoles - which seemingly happens very often anymore.

 

As for the OP, there are obvious rebuttals to all of them. A well-thought out argument against the WiiU can be made. You may not like those reasons, but they exist. However, that doesn't stop you, nor should stop you, from buying the console.





HoloDust said:
bazmeistergen said:
HoloDust said:

I think that's pretty much obvious - AAA (or coming AAAA, whatever that might be) game developers want power, and lots of it for their next-gen games. And when I say power, I don't mean just for visuals, but for AI, physics and other stuff. Mikey Neumann, creative director at Gearbox, in last Bonus Round on GT talked about how he wants to see hardware PhysX enhanced visuals (PC version) of Borderlands 2 in all next-gen titles. And for that you need power. Lots of it. Something that e6760, unfortunatelly, does not have. So, combined with all other things, I'd guess major developers will be giving much more attention to 720/PS4 once they come out. I don't expect 3rd party support for Wii U to be as abysmal as with Wii, but I doubt it it will be anywhere near support for next MicroSony offerings.


The thing you are missing is the increasing cost of development and the fact that we don't know how powerful the other consoles (if they even release one) will be. People may well be surprised by what Sony and Microsoft come out with.

Actually, I don't think cost of development for next-gen will be that huge of a leap (some estimates put it around 15-20%) - most of that transition has already been done in jump from PS2/XboX/GC to current gen. And "all real-time" engines like UE4 will just make development even easier for artists than it is with current engines, so lot of savings there (very nicely explained in UE4 tech demo video).

As for power of 720/PS4....there has been some rumours lately for both of them, 720's being bit more realiable I'd say - if final specs are anywhere near what those rumours are stating we might very well end up seeing difference of some 4x in power beetween (at least) 720 and WiiU. But since I was talking about physics, I'll just post comparison of e6760 and equivalent of rumoured 720's GPU power (though only one test, SPH fluid simulation - fuild simulation is exactly the stuff you have see a lot in Borderlands 2 PC PhysX version):

http://www.clbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?config_0=12513567&config_1=11973646

10x - shocking, right? Now I don't know how this translates to other GPU physics based tasks, but if you look that RayTrace is some 12x times as powerfull....that's why I think that major developers might have problem porting easily 720/PS4 titles to WiiU once they get the hang of their power.

But 15-20% more will elevate games with the same percentage. So games will be at least 69 euro's (don't know the retail prices for games outside Europe) so that's not something to take lightly.
Also, what does the UE4 cost for dev's to use? Epic themselves will be able to create nice and shiny games which will probably be exclusive anyway but other dev's will have to fork out money for the engine. I don't know how much the UE4 engine will cost but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's not particularly cheap. The same goes for other 'Next-Gen' engines.

As for the rumored 720 GPU, could you give me a link please? Not to say your wrong. I'm Just interested.



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haha.  Mr. Literal. 

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JustThatGamer said:

Ugh, why can't hardcore Nintendo fans accept that some people just don't like Nintendo? I'm not a 'hater', to be a hater I'd actually have to care about Nintendo's products and I don't, I don't like any of Nintendos franchises and probably never will because they refuse to make any worthwhile new IPs. I don't like what I've seen of the Wii U at all, to answer why I'll just repsond to the 5 reasons I should love it:

4) The Next Generation and Support of Struggling Publishers - Video game graphics have huge room for improvemnt, PS4 & 720 will make the Wii U look a generation behind. I'd rather wait for new IPs on the other platforms, they both do a much better in than Nintendo in this regard.

    So the Wii U, Nintendo as a company offer nothing that interests pr excites me. I can see why some people are interested in the Wii U and like Nintendo products, I have no problem with that, I do however hate being called a hater just because I genuinely don't like something.
    >User was moderated for this post [RH]

    There is a problem with your 'Number 4'. The technology you speak of doesn't exist. Gaming and PC hardware have barely gone anywhere in the last 2 years. My 3 year old HD4890 still runs every new game maxed out, and while newer cards are more powerful, they're not significantly so. It takes a good 2 years to develop console hardware, choosing from currently available hardware and modifying it and applying it to a console environment. So even if the Ps4 and 720 use hardware thats only just come out, for starters it'll be middle-range hardware so it can be pushed easily and won't overheat. Secondly, no matter what they choose, it won't be much better than whats in the WiiU. The technology you speak of to make the WiiU look a generation behind physically doesn't exist. So much ignorance surrounding the hardware industry and the WiiU.

    Check out the graphical difference between Oblivion and Skyrim. Early 360 vs late 360. THATs how much of a graphical leap you get from pushing really old hardware in a console. If you put the hardware thats in the Ps3 in a PC, no way in the world would it run anything on Ps3 at all, the tech is so slow, but putting any technology into a console means it can be pushed 10x harder than it ever could in a PC as games are significantly optimized for that hardware. So when you apply that thinking to the WiiU, we have hardware thats getting on maybe only 2 years old when it was brand new, and for the next 6-7 years, it'll be able to be pushed 10x harder than it ever would in a PC and easily match whatever games come out in the next 6 years and run them smoothly.

    You expect the Ps4/720 to smash the WiiU but its impossible. The technology in the Ps4/720 can't be any more than 2 years newer than whats in the WiiU, and since gaming technology has barely budged in that amount of time, its not going to matter whats in the Ps4/720 cause at most it might be 20%-40% more powerful, which in the grand scheme of things is going to make no difference to anything. We're going to have a totally graphically even console generation incoming, with every next-gen console, Ps4/WiiU/720, all running all game in 1080p at 60fps. The WiiU is already doing it, and its early days, with tons more horsepower to be squeezed out of it as exampled in my Oblivion vs Skyrim graphical argument early on. I'm sick of repeating all this to ignorant fanboys who have no idea about the significant slowdown in the progress of gaming hardware. The technology doesn't exist to destroy the WiiU, Microsoft and Sony are not stupid enough to try and release super expensive consoles again, and next gen is going to be graphically even. So, you're point is idiotic. I understand you're not a fan of anything Nintendo, and while i personally think you're really missing out on a lot of excellent games, i respect your opinion. But don't try and turn your opinion around and state it as fact when it comes to hardware, because you are sorely mistaken.



    Baron said:
    HoloDust said:
    bazmeistergen said:
    HoloDust said:

    I think that's pretty much obvious - AAA (or coming AAAA, whatever that might be) game developers want power, and lots of it for their next-gen games. And when I say power, I don't mean just for visuals, but for AI, physics and other stuff. Mikey Neumann, creative director at Gearbox, in last Bonus Round on GT talked about how he wants to see hardware PhysX enhanced visuals (PC version) of Borderlands 2 in all next-gen titles. And for that you need power. Lots of it. Something that e6760, unfortunatelly, does not have. So, combined with all other things, I'd guess major developers will be giving much more attention to 720/PS4 once they come out. I don't expect 3rd party support for Wii U to be as abysmal as with Wii, but I doubt it it will be anywhere near support for next MicroSony offerings.


    The thing you are missing is the increasing cost of development and the fact that we don't know how powerful the other consoles (if they even release one) will be. People may well be surprised by what Sony and Microsoft come out with.

    Actually, I don't think cost of development for next-gen will be that huge of a leap (some estimates put it around 15-20%) - most of that transition has already been done in jump from PS2/XboX/GC to current gen. And "all real-time" engines like UE4 will just make development even easier for artists than it is with current engines, so lot of savings there (very nicely explained in UE4 tech demo video).

    As for power of 720/PS4....there has been some rumours lately for both of them, 720's being bit more realiable I'd say - if final specs are anywhere near what those rumours are stating we might very well end up seeing difference of some 4x in power beetween (at least) 720 and WiiU. But since I was talking about physics, I'll just post comparison of e6760 and equivalent of rumoured 720's GPU power (though only one test, SPH fluid simulation - fuild simulation is exactly the stuff you have see a lot in Borderlands 2 PC PhysX version):

    http://www.clbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?config_0=12513567&config_1=11973646

    10x - shocking, right? Now I don't know how this translates to other GPU physics based tasks, but if you look that RayTrace is some 12x times as powerfull....that's why I think that major developers might have problem porting easily 720/PS4 titles to WiiU once they get the hang of their power.

    But 15-20% more will elevate games with the same percentage. So games will be at least 69 euro's (don't know the retail prices for games outside Europe) so that's not something to take lightly.
    Also, what does the UE4 cost for dev's to use? Epic themselves will be able to create nice and shiny games which will probably be exclusive anyway but other dev's will have to fork out money for the engine. I don't know how much the UE4 engine will cost but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's not particularly cheap. The same goes for other 'Next-Gen' engines.

    As for the rumored 720 GPU, could you give me a link please? Not to say your wrong. I'm Just interested.

    http://www.nowgamer.com/columns/nowgamer-team-blog/1220630/xbox_720_spec_leaks_what_if_the_gpu_rumours_are_true.html

    Also i might add, that the 6670, or even the rumored 7670 in the Ps3, might be 'capable' of a lot according to Ati, they don't have anywhere near the grunt to pull it off and if that GPU leak is accurate, the 720 will barely struggle to nudge 20% more powerful than the WiiU, at most.



    Interesting to notice that those kind of topics about Nintendo work very well as a magnet for Sony and Microsoft uber-fans.....
    If you people don´t like Nintendo, then why all this effort in reading this topic and writing a lot of bullshit ?
    C´mon.. did you guys never grow up? If you don´t like Nintendo, so please, ignore everything Nintendo-related and go discuss shooters in other topic.

    This is just too annoying



    If, when it will drop under 150€, it won't have region lock anymore, I'll seriously consider buying one.



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