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Galaki on 01 October 2012
samuship said:
Wow! I think I just met the first person who doesn't like any IP from Nintendo. Strange world we live in. O.o

You don't have to like games that you haven't played.



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Soleron on 01 October 2012
cusman said:
Soleron said:

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If you buy it and use it for ZombiU and such games... there will be more of that kind of software. If you buy it and just use Nintendo Land and Just Dance 4, then it will soon be very similar to Wii.

The launch of each console tries to be diverse attracting both core and casual players and covering as many popular genre as possible. Beyond the launch the support starts to get dependend on the reliability of certain types of games having audience/selling on that console. You can expect Nintendo to keep making their games on it... but 3rd party support will depend on your choices.

Also, if you only care about 3rd party games, then why buy a new console when Steam/X360/PS3 will be able to play the bulk of them for a good while longer... unless you really want 1080p native, Gamepad for map/inventory, and a switch/change from Steam/PSN/XboxLive to MiiVerse.

The problem I'm having is that those games don't exist YET. It is not reasonable to assume more third party support is coming, because it didn't for GC and that was even stronger at launch.

You're conflating a single person buying ZombiU with "the kind of audience" suddenly existing. A single sale of ZombiU will not convince any executive to support Wii U who wouldn't already; DON'T make purchase decisions with the aim of 'supporting' a company or making something happen. I'm saying you should buy the games you want /when they are announced/, not buying in any expectation of those games appearing, because they might well not!  Third party support does not depend on "MY" choices.

The article is wrong because it is using "well these games might come eventually" as a reason to buy the console at launch. That's bad decision making.

if you're buying for third party games wait for them to actually be announced, and make sure that the Wii U version is not inferior to PS4/720.



SlayerRondo on 01 October 2012
Soleron said:

Obvious rebuttals

- Nothing first-party that takes advantage of its power has been announced except maybe Pikmin 3.
- Then announce games with those possibilities in. The Wii/Kinect/Move showed you can get burned by waiting for potential to be realised.
- Those weren't the mistakes costing it sales, except possibly stable online matchmaking. And the state of that on Wii U looks the same as Wii, reading between the lines. We know Nintendo will abandon Wii U development in a few years in favour of 3DS+1 just like they did for Wii->3DS->Wii U in that order.
- There is no evidence that third parties are choosing to support Wii U, or that cross-platform titles with /next/-gen will arrive at the same time or same condition on Wii U as they will on PS4/X720.
- ZombiU is the best example of a third party game? Bayonetta is paid for, no one else is voluntarily bringing AAA-style Wii U exclusives. "We'll have many games that use GamePad" - then please announce them first.

All in all the article wants us to buy on promises which the Wii and 3DS also had plenty of. Rational customers will wait for games they want to buy to come out before actually purchasing. Hating on Wii U is also irrational, but making an informed choice not to buy just yet is sensible.


I have to disagree partly with some of the points you have raised

- Given that we dont fully know the power of the WiiU it is a bit early to assume what games do and dont use all its power.

- What console in History has launched with a game taking advantage of all its power?

- Yes the potential of the WiiU remotes screen has not been untilized to the best of its capabilities so far but has the DS not shown the potential of a second screen.

- The Wii motion controlls also were quite poor quality for what they claimed but a second screen is a second screen and we know what were getting.

- Nintendo will only decrease game development for the WiiU if people stop buying games for the WiiU and thats in the event the console is already failing and therefore irrelevant.

- The fact that third parties are putting games on the WiiU is a good sign that they are supporting the console.

- Maybe third parties will not bring all PS4/Xbox720 games to the WiiU and maybe all WiiU third party games wont end up on the PS4?Xbox720

- Nintendo has the best first party line-up of either Sony or Microsoft in terms of critical acclaim and sales and therefore dont require the same level of third party support that PS4 and Xbox 720 will.



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Where you either win

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SlayerRondo on 01 October 2012

The gamecube had a stronger launch than the WiiU does?

All-Star Baseball 2002
Batman: Vengeance
Crazy Taxi
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2
Disney's Tarzan Untamed
Luigi's Mansion
Madden NFL 2002
NHL Hitz 20-02
SSX Tricky
Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
Super Monkey Ball
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Wave Race: Blue Storm

 

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This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

Player1x3 on 01 October 2012
DieAppleDie said:
Player1x3
Since PC, PS3 and Xbox offer more or less the same, chosing one out o the 3 should be enough....for me Nintendo and PC combo is the real deal


3rd parties and the majority of VG market would disagree



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lilbroex on 01 October 2012
Player1x3 said:
DieAppleDie said:
Player1x3
Since PC, PS3 and Xbox offer more or less the same, chosing one out o the 3 should be enough....for me Nintendo and PC combo is the real deal


3rd parties and the majority of VG market would disagree


I thought it was pretty well established since the beginning of the cur...last gen that everyone had a Wii and one other console with it.



Player1x3 on 01 October 2012
lilbroex said:
Player1x3 said:
DieAppleDie said:
Player1x3
Since PC, PS3 and Xbox offer more or less the same, chosing one out o the 3 should be enough....for me Nintendo and PC combo is the real deal


3rd parties and the majority of VG market would disagree


I thought it was pretty well established since the beginning of the cur...last gen that everyone had a Wii and one other console with it.

Oh im not disagreeing that Wii+HD console or Pc is the best combo, im just trying to realize how can someone not be a gamer if he doesn't care about Nintendo



lilbroex on 01 October 2012
Player1x3 said:
lilbroex said:
Player1x3 said:
DieAppleDie said:
Player1x3
Since PC, PS3 and Xbox offer more or less the same, chosing one out o the 3 should be enough....for me Nintendo and PC combo is the real deal


3rd parties and the majority of VG market would disagree


I thought it was pretty well established since the beginning of the cur...last gen that everyone had a Wii and one other console with it.

Oh im not disagreeing that Wii+HD console or Pc is the best combo, im just trying to realize how can someone not be a gamer if he doesn't care about Nintendo

Because they are the ones who defined gaming as we know it. Well, they and SEGA, but, ya know.



AceRandum on 01 October 2012

I don't like nintendo if it has a successful launch with atleat 5 to 7 mill its going to do good, but if the launch is only like 4 mil sold its never going to outsell the wii then.



HoloDust on 01 October 2012

I agree with JustThatGamer - there are lot of people that just don't care much for Nintendo IPs, and I don't see them being automatically haters. I grew up playing Donkey Kong in arcades to hell and back, but other than that game, only other Ninty IPs I really like are Mario Kart and (more or less) Zelda.
As for Ninty defining gaming as we know it today - I'd say that there are lot of influences on gaming through decades, Nintendo being one of them, but for anyone who had computers too along side consoles (like C64, Amiga and PC) it is obvious how much of game design influences came from that direction too (in my opinion actually much more diverse).
So people do not have to hate Ninty just to not care much about their products - just like people don't have to hate Sony and Microsoft to not like Halo, God of War, Uncharted, Gears....it is just matter of preference.