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DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
hsrob said:
I've been thinking along the same lines for a while. If either Sony or MS overshoot the specs of the WiiU by a significant margin and the other doesn't, the one that does might find itself in a bit of a pickle.

The 'overspec'd' machine could find itself competing against 2 similarly spec'd machines for third party attention. Ironically this is similar to the situation the Wii found itself in at the outset of the current gen and despite it's overwhelming sales success this proved to be a handicap that it never really overcame.

It could even be argued that this might be a wise move for Sony which can no longer afford to compete with MS on a loss-leading strategy. Sony troubles seem to start with them reaching for the bleeding edge of technology despite the great success they had with the moderately powerful PS1 +PS2. By returning to what has previously worked for them and targeting their machine in the same ballpark as the Wii U they could make the WiiU/PS4 combo a very attractive proposition for developers in opposition to developing for the likely smaller install base of a single system (Xbox720) and the higher development costs associated with pushing the boundaries on a much more capable piece of hardware. It could also work the other way if Sony again reach for the stars but I feel that's much less likely.

Very well put!



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DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
FrancisNobleman said:
UltimateUnknown said:
Cthulhu said:
There is no need for Sony to release a new console if ps3 can compete with a "next" gen console

I never expected that when I paid 650euro for a 2007 60gb ps3

I was just about it write this.

From what I can see, even though the Wii U is undoubtedly stronger, it's not THAT much stronger than the PS3. The multiplat games won't look exponentially better on the Wii U when compared to the PS3 since the Wii U isn't as big a jump as Wii and PS3 for example. So the PS3 could receive slightly scaled down ports of games for the Wii U.

In that case one has to question, why would Sony even bother releasing PS4 which as the OP claims, won't be a big leap over the Wii U? Why would they sacrifice a 60M userbase just for a small leap in power? Why would they bother going through all the R&D, marketing and start from scratch again if there is not much change? I mean we all know how they have already lost so much money.

I think people should look at the difference between the Wii and Wii U and see how huge a jump that was and not look at the jump between 360/PS3 and Wii U. There is no need for any manufacturer, be it Sony or MS to release a new console if there is not a significant jump from their previous iteration. As gamers you should be wanting as big a leap as we can get with a relatively affordable price. Why would you want consoles that are just a little better than the ones we have been playing on for 7 years straight?

To get a new console on shelves. Old hardware doesn't sell forever.

Why did Nintendo release the Wii instead of just releasing the wiimote for the already 20+M Gamecube userbase ?

New hardware is new, even if it is not such a big jump as it used to be. 

I'm just gonna go with what Francis said. Well put.



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DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
Slimebeast said:
Exchange rates have nothing to do with it. The only factor that determines how powerful PS4 and X720 are is the upper limit of power consumption of the GPUs that you can put in a console.

With that said I believe they will achieve 8 x X360, or around 2 Tflops of performance, compared to around 650 gflops in the Wii U, meaning they are 3 times as powerful as the Wii U.

3 times as powerful is not huge, but this combined with the big publishers discrimination and bias towards Nintendo will assure that the Wii U won't win next gen.

I believe Wii U will sell around 50 million lifetime while X720 and PS4 around 100 million.

I encourage you to read Viper1's reasoning; it's very sound.



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DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
Kenology said:

Didn't read the OP, but based on the title, I do believe the PS4/720 won't be as powerful as people are expecting. They'll be more powerful than the Wii U, of course, but not the leap people are expecting.

Like I said in previous threads, I'm just waiting to see how folk who are knocking the Wii U will react when Sony's next system isn't the quantum leap they expect. I want to see if they're suddenly OK with it, being as though it's their chief complaint about the Wii U. Will be interesting to see.

haha I know, it's loooong :D but to summerize: Nintendomination!



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DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
freebs2 said:

DanneSandin said:

If Sony won't make a cutting edge machine, why would Microsoft? 

The would because if they can make a tecnical superior console at the same or similar price, they'll have the chance to kick their most direct competitor right in the balls. Also I'm not sure Kinect is really so much expansive to manifacture.

The rumor has it that xbox3 will come bundled with Kinect 2.0, so that's gotta be more expansive than the version we got today. As I stated in the OP, I believe 3rd party developers would make games for WiiStation (if they're similar in power) and therefore not utilizing Xbox3's ful capacity.



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Cthulhu on 19 September 2012
superchunk said:
Cthulhu said:
There is no need for Sony to release a new console if ps3 can compete with a "next" gen console

I never expected that when I paid 650euro for a 2007 60gb ps3


I won't be able to. Just as others said right about you, just because the tech isn'to 10x more powerful doesn't mean the feature set isn't.

Once Retro or a 3rd party or a 3D Nintendo game are released and built using Wii U to a great extent you'll see it trounce anything on PS360. So far all you have are 3rd party ports that were built with last gen features.

Sony will re-release PS3 with the super-slim, i dont see them being in a hurry of putting a PS4 in the market. Its clear that they'll try to go head to head with WiiU. Of course there is no denying that WiiU is the most powerfull of the two but up until we see a game using Wii U to a great extent (as you said) 1-2 years will pass...then PS3 becomes irrelevant and PS4 comes in the market. This is how i see it



rudyrsr8 on 19 September 2012

Thank you for a new thought out perspective that doesn't sound like a pre-teen rambling. :)



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DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
rogermoore said:

I think that that was a real balanced, honest analysis of the situation.

Some people think that´s just a matter of better graphics/specs/ power... but what will really define who´s gonna take the edge on next gen is economy. Both the PS3 and the Xbox360 took a long time to pay for their investiment and really give their manufacturers a profit. Considering the actual financial condition of Sony´s - and the dissapointing sales of the Vita - I´d bet that they can´t afford to launch and sustain another high tech console for so long with losses, like they´re doing right now with the Vita.

XBox is clearly working on their next machine without much worries about what Sony´s doing right now, It seems that Microsoft is trying to create their own gaming paradigm with all those Fortaleza rumors, taking motion controls to a different approach.... if it´s a safe bet future will tell. The big question is: will they be able to afford two or more years with a product sold with loss, waiting/hoping for it to succeed?

I believe that both PS3 and XBox360 as products still have a lot of potential and we´ll still be seeing it on shelves for some years. It doen´t seem, right now, that launching a very expensive console is a good move for both Sony and Microsoft, specially because that would also increase the costs of production for third-parties...these are already experiencing some tough decisions because those high-cost games need to sell millions to give them some profit. Are third parties ready to spent 100-150 million in production of a single title for a new console that doesn´t have a good install base? It seems reasonable that they would rather produce for the cheap WiiU first and wait for costs to decrease.

My bet is that we won´t see the next Ps3 and Xbox until 2014 - or even maybe 2015. As consoles sales are decreasing year by year, I´m not sure if the average gamer will be able to afford a new $ 600 console soon.... Nintendo may really get the front position during this period with a cheaper and user-friendly console.

Well thanks you =) I just gotta give Viper1 a big chunk of that compliment; it's he who made me come to this insight



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DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
Cthulhu said:
DanneSandin said:
Cthulhu said:
There is no need for Sony to release a new console if ps3 can compete with a "next" gen console

I never expected that when I paid 650euro for a 2007 60gb ps3

But I don't think PS3 will be able to compete with next gen. I think it'll be able to live side by side with WiiU a while, but sooner or later people are gonna migrate to Nintendo unless MSony releases their next things. And if MS releases Xbox3 way a head of PS4 sony will be in a pickle. imo

By this logic WiiU is in trouble.

why? Mind elaborating?



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superchunk on 19 September 2012
Cthulhu said:
superchunk said:
Cthulhu said:
There is no need for Sony to release a new console if ps3 can compete with a "next" gen console

I never expected that when I paid 650euro for a 2007 60gb ps3


I won't be able to. Just as others said right about you, just because the tech isn'to 10x more powerful doesn't mean the feature set isn't.

Once Retro or a 3rd party or a 3D Nintendo game are released and built using Wii U to a great extent you'll see it trounce anything on PS360. So far all you have are 3rd party ports that were built with last gen features.

Sony will re-release PS3 with the super-slim, i dont see them being in a hurry of putting a PS4 in the market. Its clear that they'll try to go head to head with WiiU. Of course there is no denying that WiiU is the most powerfull of the two but up until we see a game using Wii U to a great extent (as you said) 1-2 years will pass...then PS3 becomes irrelevant and PS4 comes in the market. This is how i see it

PS3 regardless of size is still a PS3. It won't compete with next-gen tech once the next-gen games start flowing. Hence the reason its YoY sales are down double digits this year.

neXtBox and PS4 will be out next year and will have a minor jump over Wii U. The new tech will mostly incorporate a ton of new graphical and other features that will make it all look so much better as well as allow newer game ideas to flourish.

There is a reason a game like Watch Dogs has no consoles linked to it, they didn't want to give away anything and were bound by NDAs. They'll wait for Sony and MS to release their news and then say its for all three next gen systems. They also don't want to sound like its exclusive to Wii U... hence why they just don't announce anything.