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Crazymann said:
Immortal said:

I have to say, it's awesome to see someone who thinks like that on here. I'm purposefully trying to avoid religion-related threads now because I end up getting carried away by the argument, but I'm glad to see that there are people who share this kind of ideological stance with me.

Agreed, it is far too easy to get drawn into these threads, and (I must admit) I have been drawn into threads here that are quite a bit less potentially philosophical on these boards, and I have not always thought enough about my words before posting. 

As far as the viewpoint I mentioned (searching for truth in commonality), I agree with you there as well... in that there are amazing aspects of this world that can be seen if they are not intentionally ignored - be it due to conflicting idealogy or not.


I rather dislike getting very passionate about anything because it's inherently contradictory to what I'm trying to say usually. It kind of defeats the purpose if I say that atheists should try to look for the merits of religions and be open-minded about them while claiming that all atheists are inherently morons (I've done this at least a couple of times, :P).

Also, I personally find it very interesting to look for similarities in general moral outlook, in existential ideas and even in the details of myths. Things that everyone sems to think about to some extent can hardly be devoid of meaning or reason.



 

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Immortal said:


I rather dislike getting very passionate about anything because it's inherently contradictory to what I'm trying to say usually. It kind of defeats the purpose if I say that atheists should try to look for the merits of religions and be open-minded about them while claiming that all atheists are inherently morons (I've done this at least a couple of times, :P).


What's your beef with atheists?



Jay520 said:
Immortal said:


I rather dislike getting very passionate about anything because it's inherently contradictory to what I'm trying to say usually. It kind of defeats the purpose if I say that atheists should try to look for the merits of religions and be open-minded about them while claiming that all atheists are inherently morons (I've done this at least a couple of times, :P).


What's your beef with atheists?


God knows.

 

 

...I'd leave it at that awesome pun, but I suppose I should explain. I spend most of my time on the internet. On the internet, atheists are almost undebatably more arrogant and annoying than religious people on the whole. Of course, there are some exceptions, but atheists are far more aggressive and in far bigger numbers than religious people online. Thus, in my experience, atheists are worse. I acknowledge that this is not necessarily the case everywhere, but I still haven't seen enough weak atheists to convince me to change my general stance on atheists.



 

“These are my principles; if you don’t like them, I have others.” – Groucho Marx

Immortal said:
Jay520 said:
Immortal said:


I rather dislike getting very passionate about anything because it's inherently contradictory to what I'm trying to say usually. It kind of defeats the purpose if I say that atheists should try to look for the merits of religions and be open-minded about them while claiming that all atheists are inherently morons (I've done this at least a couple of times, :P).


What's your beef with atheists?

God knows.

...I'd leave it at that awesome pun, but I suppose I should explain. I spend most of my time on the internet. On the internet, atheists are almost undebatably more arrogant and annoying than religious people on the whole. Of course, there are some exceptions, but atheists are far more aggressive and in far bigger numbers than religious people online. Thus, in my experience, atheists are worse. I acknowledge that this is not necessarily the case everywhere, but I still haven't seen enough weak atheists to convince me to change my general stance on atheists.


Sorry, bad wording...what's your beef with 'all atheists.' I assume there's some inherent flaw that you attach to atheism.



Jay520 said:
Immortal said:

God knows.

...I'd leave it at that awesome pun, but I suppose I should explain. I spend most of my time on the internet. On the internet, atheists are almost undebatably more arrogant and annoying than religious people on the whole. Of course, there are some exceptions, but atheists are far more aggressive and in far bigger numbers than religious people online. Thus, in my experience, atheists are worse. I acknowledge that this is not necessarily the case everywhere, but I still haven't seen enough weak atheists to convince me to change my general stance on atheists.


Sorry, bad wording...what's your beef with 'all atheists.' I assume there's some inherent flaw that you attach to atheism.


Oh, not at all. Atheism inherently is as right/wrong/good/bad/flawed/perfect as just about anything and everything else. I'm completely alright with atheism in theory. I just often find most atheists annoying in practice. I'd honestly respect an atheist who was an atheist simply because he honestly didn't believe in any religion. I've only ever found atheists who are throwing a tantrum and are forming a silly empty rebellion against societal norms, though.It's like nudists. If people were seriously fine with not wearing any clothes, that would be okay, but if you walk around naked in public, you're really doing it for the scandal and not for any genuine ideological reason.



 

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Jay520 said:
DaRev said:
Jay520 said:
DaRev said:

Ok, were do you think the laws in your little start-up country came from. Do you have laws against killing people, how about laws aganst stealing, do you have sex with little girls in your country or you screw animals in your country?  I'm sure your country has laws agaisnt that kind of stuff (but if it doesn't please do tell). Well, guess what, those laws and many others in your country were BORROWED from God. lol

Actually, laws and rules would come up regardless of there being a god. After being around for a certain amount of time, society would recognize actions which hurt the society (killing, stealing, raping) and would naturally work towards trying to prevent such things. You don't need a God to be moral.

Actaully, that doesn't negate the FACT that God created his law before anyone elses laws. If not so then Prove it!



That's not how proof works. Theists need to claim that God exist using whatever justification available. Then....its my job to disprove that justification. If proof worked in the way you say it works (disprove it or its true), then that would mean I'm right too, since you cant prove I'm wrong. Obviously, we can't both be right. Someone has the job of proving something. That person is you.


Except that proof is only possible in mathematics. Nothing in science relies on proof either, just evidence. These 2 are different. So asking to prove God is dumb (as well as asking to disprove)



Player1x3 said:


Except that proof is only possible in mathematics. Nothing in science relies on proof either, just evidence. These 2 are different. So asking to prove God is dumb (as well as asking to disprove)


Well of course nothing can be proven. Like you said, it's all about evidence. I thought that goes without saying. Most people don't really stress over the definition of the word so long as both parties understand each other. By saying 'proof,' most people know that we just mean sufficient supporting evidence, without the need for clarifying. But I guess if you really want to get strict with semantics, then fine: Present sufficient evidents that supports the existence of God as a justified belief.

Besides, DeRav was the one who said he had 'proof' of God, in the first place. I'm just asking for whatever he says he has.



Immortal said:
Jay520 said:
Immortal said:


I rather dislike getting very passionate about anything because it's inherently contradictory to what I'm trying to say usually. It kind of defeats the purpose if I say that atheists should try to look for the merits of religions and be open-minded about them while claiming that all atheists are inherently morons (I've done this at least a couple of times, :P).


What's your beef with atheists?


God knows.

 

 

...I'd leave it at that awesome pun, but I suppose I should explain. I spend most of my time on the internet. On the internet, atheists are almost undebatably more arrogant and annoying than religious people on the whole. Of course, there are some exceptions, but atheists are far more aggressive and in far bigger numbers than religious people online. Thus, in my experience, atheists are worse. I acknowledge that this is not necessarily the case everywhere, but I still haven't seen enough weak atheists to convince me to change my general stance on atheists.


And the funny thing is, they act like they're the poor oppressed victim and must let everyone know how religion is being shoved down their throat in their daily 10 paragraph posts and rants on facebook on why theists are inherently the disease of humanity. They are usually found dwelling on religion more than your average religious person is.



Jay520 said:
Player1x3 said:


Except that proof is only possible in mathematics. Nothing in science relies on proof either, just evidence. These 2 are different. So asking to prove God is dumb (as well as asking to disprove)


Well of course nothing can be proven. Like you said, it's all about evidence. I thought that goes without saying. Most people don't really stress over the definition of the word so long as both parties understand each other. By saying 'proof,' most people know that we just mean sufficient supporting evidence, without the need for clarifying. But I guess if you really want to get strict with semantics, then fine: Present sufficient evidents that supports the existence of God as a justified belief.

Besides, DeRav was the one who said he had 'proof' of God, in the first place. I'm just asking for whatever he says he has.

It's dumb to seek evidence for irrational beliefs such as theism and atheism



Player1x3 said:

It's dumb to seek evidence for irrational beliefs such as theism and atheism


atheism is not a belief. it's the opposite.