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the_dengle on 09 September 2012

Nonsense, Sony just has to continue their current gimmick of making their consoles as powerful as is reasonably possible and pricing them low enough to be losing money on every sale but high enough to make sure everyone understands they are more 'valuable' than the competition.

Microsoft just has to continue their gimmick of following Sony's lead, and charging their consumers for a service all of their competitors provide for free.

What more of a hook do they need?



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HappySqurriel on 09 September 2012

It seems to me that the people who assume everyone who owns or plays games on the PS3 or XBox 360 is a hardcore gamer probably have never met a casual gamer ...

At work I'm surrounded by "casual" gamers who own the XBox 360 and PS3. Men who are married, have children, and have time consuming jobs that prevent them from playing videogames much. On the occassional long weekend or on vacations they will be able to play games, but they rarely complete them and they never play them online; although most of these guys played endless hours of online games when they were 18, if you're only playing for a game a few hours a month playing online is no fun.

The bulk of EVERY system's userbase is "casual" gamers ...



HappySqurriel on 09 September 2012
maverick40 said:
They will sell better than the wii u, that is for sure.


Based on what?

We don't even know what the PS4 or 'XBox 720' will be or how the Wii U will sell ...

Two years from now we could see a home console market that is similar to the handheld market today, with Nintendo having a less powerful but less expensive system with a built in 'gimick' that launched earlier outselling more powerful systems by a wide margin.



duckypwns on 09 September 2012
_crazy_man_ said:
duckypwns said:
OoSnap said:

What new will Microsoft and Sony bring to the table?


Nothing. They'll release the same old systems, with the same old controllers. They don't even try to add anything new. They say their consoles aren't incremental upgrades but that's all they are. They just up the power and demand more money from the consumer every now and then, abandoning their old hardware and alienating everyone who bought it.

What Sony and Microsoft don't understand about system power is that the people who care about graphics and power are on PC. Why would they settle for second best? So yes, the 720 and PS4 will be stronger than the Wii U. Not something for Sony and Microsoft fans to rejoice about though. All it does is up the production costs for Sony and Microsoft, and ultimately make their consumers pay more money for an inferior product.

Not to mention, when the 720 and PS4 come out there will be a price cut on the already cheap as hell Wii U... Put two and two together guys. It's easy to see who has the upperhand in generation 8 already.

Some People love good graphics but can't afford a good PC that will last 2-3 years (+$1,000), so a they settle with a beef console that lasts 5+ years at 1/2 - 1/3 the price.

And since we don't know squat about the other next gen consoles, its pretty arrgoant to say they won't.


Common misconception. A good gaming PC doesn't cost that much.

And it's not "arrogance", it's based off of the history of the consoles. Look at the standard control mechanisms between the PS1, PS2, and PS3, and then between the XBOX and the 360. Their "consoles" are nothing more than incremental upgrades and actually end up costing far more than a gaming PC.



iFlow on 09 September 2012
OoSnap said:

I think the mass market will find the new consoles boring without a new control scheme or a new form of gameplay. I know gamers on forums love awesome graphics but the fact is the mass market could care less. Just look at the sales of the Wii and Nintendo handhelds. At least Wii U has the touchscreen gamepad and asymmetric gameplay. What new will Microsoft and Sony bring to the table?


Really? The 720 and PS4 will bring better hardware, which is a damn good reason for people to buy consoles. Let me ask you something, what makes the iPhone 4 different from any other iPhone model? The hardware is upgraded, which will be the hook. The ugrades man, the upgrades!



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logic56 on 09 September 2012
Turkish said:
OoSnap said:

I think the mass market will find the new consoles boring without a new control scheme or a new form of gameplay. I know gamers on forums love awesome graphics but the fact is the mass market could care less. Just look at the sales of the Wii and Nintendo handhelds. At least Wii U has the touchscreen gamepad and asymmetric gameplay. What new will Microsoft and Sony bring to the table?


I don't know what you're trying to say. PS360 have sold more than Wii. So the general public do seem to care about awesome graphics.

took the words out my mouth

come on Nintendo fans, it's time to leave the vaccum and face reality



HappySqurriel on 09 September 2012
logic56 said:
Turkish said:
OoSnap said:

I think the mass market will find the new consoles boring without a new control scheme or a new form of gameplay. I know gamers on forums love awesome graphics but the fact is the mass market could care less. Just look at the sales of the Wii and Nintendo handhelds. At least Wii U has the touchscreen gamepad and asymmetric gameplay. What new will Microsoft and Sony bring to the table?


I don't know what you're trying to say. PS360 have sold more than Wii. So the general public do seem to care about awesome graphics.

took the words out my mouth

come on Nintendo fans, it's time to leave the vaccum and face reality

Yeah, the 3DS being almost "a generation behind" the PS-Vita is hurting its sales ... The reality is that everyone likes better graphics but it is really tertiary concern. Given the choice the self proclaimed hardcore gamers would rather play a good First Person Shooter made for the Dreamcast than an excellent dance game for a bleeding edge PC. When it comes to buying a system the type, quality and quantity of the content matters far more than the technical impressiveness of the content; and the cost of the system actually matters more than the technical capabilities of the system (to an extent). People are happy to pay $300 for a system and many people will accept $400, but people would rather have a system that had less power and was less expensive than $400 than have a more powerful system that cost over $400.

 



_crazy_man_ on 09 September 2012
duckypwns said:
_crazy_man_ said:
duckypwns said:
OoSnap said:

What new will Microsoft and Sony bring to the table?


Nothing. They'll release the same old systems, with the same old controllers. They don't even try to add anything new. They say their consoles aren't incremental upgrades but that's all they are. They just up the power and demand more money from the consumer every now and then, abandoning their old hardware and alienating everyone who bought it.

What Sony and Microsoft don't understand about system power is that the people who care about graphics and power are on PC. Why would they settle for second best? So yes, the 720 and PS4 will be stronger than the Wii U. Not something for Sony and Microsoft fans to rejoice about though. All it does is up the production costs for Sony and Microsoft, and ultimately make their consumers pay more money for an inferior product.

Not to mention, when the 720 and PS4 come out there will be a price cut on the already cheap as hell Wii U... Put two and two together guys. It's easy to see who has the upperhand in generation 8 already.

Some People love good graphics but can't afford a good PC that will last 2-3 years (+$1,000), so a they settle with a beef console that lasts 5+ years at 1/2 - 1/3 the price.

And since we don't know squat about the other next gen consoles, its pretty arrgoant to say they won't.


Common misconception. A good gaming PC doesn't cost that much.

And it's not "arrogance", it's based off of the history of the consoles. Look at the standard control mechanisms between the PS1, PS2, and PS3, and then between the XBOX and the 360. Their "consoles" are nothing more than incremental upgrades and actually end up costing far more than a gaming PC.

True you could can get a machine that can play all of today's games no problem at about a little over 500 bucks.  But it won't last, hence why I'm saying to have a system that will last 2+ years you need to shell out the extra cash.   A console does that cheper and far longer, hence why console market > PC market sales.



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duckypwns on 09 September 2012
_crazy_man_ said:
duckypwns said:
_crazy_man_ said:
duckypwns said:
OoSnap said:

What new will Microsoft and Sony bring to the table?


Nothing. They'll release the same old systems, with the same old controllers. They don't even try to add anything new. They say their consoles aren't incremental upgrades but that's all they are. They just up the power and demand more money from the consumer every now and then, abandoning their old hardware and alienating everyone who bought it.

What Sony and Microsoft don't understand about system power is that the people who care about graphics and power are on PC. Why would they settle for second best? So yes, the 720 and PS4 will be stronger than the Wii U. Not something for Sony and Microsoft fans to rejoice about though. All it does is up the production costs for Sony and Microsoft, and ultimately make their consumers pay more money for an inferior product.

Not to mention, when the 720 and PS4 come out there will be a price cut on the already cheap as hell Wii U... Put two and two together guys. It's easy to see who has the upperhand in generation 8 already.

Some People love good graphics but can't afford a good PC that will last 2-3 years (+$1,000), so a they settle with a beef console that lasts 5+ years at 1/2 - 1/3 the price.

And since we don't know squat about the other next gen consoles, its pretty arrgoant to say they won't.


Common misconception. A good gaming PC doesn't cost that much.

And it's not "arrogance", it's based off of the history of the consoles. Look at the standard control mechanisms between the PS1, PS2, and PS3, and then between the XBOX and the 360. Their "consoles" are nothing more than incremental upgrades and actually end up costing far more than a gaming PC.

True you could can get a machine that can play all of today's games no problem at about a little over 500 bucks.  But it won't last, hence why I'm saying to have a system that will last 2+ years you need to shell out the extra cash.   A console does that cheper and far longer, hence why console market > PC market sales.

You are describing what consoles SHOULD be. Not what they ARE. There is a difference.

The idea is supposed to be that the consoles are inferior - but the appeal is that they're cheaper. While the PC is supposed to be superior, but more expensive. That's not how it is, at least not with Sony and Microsoft's "consoles". You don't really need to upgrade your PC often. I built my most recent PC in Februrary of 2011 and it can still play everything new perfectly. Look at some of the big games that come out on PC, a recent example being Diablo 3. A toaster could run that game. No developers actually create these games that require super computers from the year 2427, because developers know that very few people could afford to game if that was required. Nobody would buy their games.



prayformojo on 09 September 2012
archbrix said:

Do you have proof or possess some clairvoyance to the contrary?  No?  Then it seems we're at an impasse on that subject, no?  Now then, I'll address your points:

Yes, the "hipsters" as you put it were a big part of the Wii craze.  But the Wii was not a console designed to have a 10 year life span and it was very front loaded.  The fact is that Nintendo could've kept making great games - core or otherwise - for the Wii and prolonged its sales.  Yes, the "craze" would have been over, but we wouldn't have seen such a drastic drop in sales as we saw when support was dropped almost altogether.

I'm sure that the decline wouldn't have been as bad had Nintendo released more core IP, but my argument is that it wouldn't have made THAT much of a difference. The Gamecube was a console aimed at the core and it's sales reflect, within reason, how well hard core gamers receive that company. Had the Wii been released with a regular controller, I'm positive we'd all be talking about Nintendo going out of business or going stricktly handheld. That's how bleak it was back then. Nintendo KNEW this, and that's why they took such a massive gamble to begin with.

IMO, Nintendo is going to be third this generation again because they never really advanced past that position with hard core gamers and for the most part, that's going to be who buys into next gen....core gamers. The casuals are playing farmville and Temple Run.