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SnakeDrake said:
wfz said:

Your right we should let let these old timers die or better yet kill them. Only the wealthy people like the fat auss who thinks the working-class deserves to be payed $2/hour the corrupted politicians and a few war-lords deserves to have longevity.

 

I'm sorry to say this but you sir is an a***** 

 

/running of topic

I'm not saying we should kill them, I'm only bringing up the point that they're costing us tons of money to keep them alive for short periods of time. When an elderly person does not have the money to pay for surgery and other medical expenses, we pay for it. Do we want to spend 10k, 20, 40k just to keep this elderly person alive for a few months longer? Death is a natural process and I believe that it's something we're trying far too hard to run away from.

 

You could argue that it's morally the right thing to do (depending on your morals), but can we simply keep throwing all of that money away in effort to prolong elderly people's lives by a few months? The truth is that as much as we want to, we don't have all the money in the world and we will go further into debt and we can't sustain it.

If you believe that bringing up these valid points makes me an asshole, then I'm perfectly fine with it. I realize it might be a somewhat rude awakening you're trying to hide from, but I would argue that our current state of medical spending isn't going to work for much longer.



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wfz said:
SnakeDrake said:
wfz said:

Your right we should let let these old timers die or better yet kill them. Only the wealthy people like the fat auss who thinks the working-class deserves to be payed $2/hour the corrupted politicians and a few war-lords deserves to have longevity.

 

I'm sorry to say this but you sir is an a***** 

 

/running of topic

I'm not saying we should kill them, I'm only bringing up the point that they're costing us tons of money to keep them alive for short periods of time. When an elderly person does not have the money to pay for surgery and other medical expenses, we pay for it. Do we want to spend 10k, 20, 40k just to keep this elderly person alive for a few months longer? Death is a natural process and I believe that it's something we're trying far too hard to run away from.

 

You could argue that it's morally the right thing to do (depending on your morals), but can we simply keep throwing all of that money away in effort to prolong elderly people's lives by a few months? The truth is that as much as we want to, we don't have all the money in the world and we will go further into debt and we can't sustain it.

If you believe that bringing up these valid points makes me an asshole, then I'm perfectly fine with it. I realize it might be a somewhat rude awakening you're trying to hide from, but I would argue that our current state of medical spending isn't going to work for much longer.

Your probably talking about your economy and its dept, but your right you dont decide were your taxes goes. However the same thing can be said about stuff like you dont decide how the military should spend your money on which war you'd like to be in, you cant decide how much money you give the people at Wall-Street to help them with there gambling addiction or decide how much money you spend to ballot a bank or huge corporation  leaving ever men, women or child in your country 50k worth of dept. 

 

listen you made a few points but a society without morals couldn't even be considered as a society.



 

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wfz said:
A cure for cancer was found by some researchers at a Canadian university a number of years back, and it also never really saw the light of day. It was even tested years later (very recently) and found to be working properly.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/05/cure-for-cancer-resurfaces-and.html

Why these things don't get more funding to be worked on and pushed through to help save millions of lives? No idea.

Probably because in all honesty, the last thing we really need is more old people living, costing us more money. I hate to sound like an asshole, but the amount of money we spend (because they can't afford it) on elderly people every year to keep them alive for a few months longer at a time is absolutely ridiculously expensive. We either need to learn when to pull the plug and stop providing free care to these old people or we need to hurry up and figure out how to make ourselves immortal beings.

Problem with doing the latter is we'll either overpopulate too quickly, or we won't have kids and new life will hardly ever see the world.

/running off topic.

Age is an important factor in cancer, sure, but a lot of young people die because of cancer too. My uncle died because of cancer at the age of 37. A friend of me had cancer and only recently recovered, he is 27. You are not making any sense.



This is dumb why won't this actually happen?



           

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michael_stutzer said:
wfz said:
A cure for cancer was found by some researchers at a Canadian university a number of years back, and it also never really saw the light of day. It was even tested years later (very recently) and found to be working properly.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/05/cure-for-cancer-resurfaces-and.html

Why these things don't get more funding to be worked on and pushed through to help save millions of lives? No idea.

Probably because in all honesty, the last thing we really need is more old people living, costing us more money. I hate to sound like an asshole, but the amount of money we spend (because they can't afford it) on elderly people every year to keep them alive for a few months longer at a time is absolutely ridiculously expensive. We either need to learn when to pull the plug and stop providing free care to these old people or we need to hurry up and figure out how to make ourselves immortal beings.

Problem with doing the latter is we'll either overpopulate too quickly, or we won't have kids and new life will hardly ever see the world.

/running off topic.

Age is an important factor in cancer, sure, but a lot of young people die because of cancer too. My uncle died because of cancer at the age of 37. A friend of me had cancer and only recently recovered, he is 27. You are not making any sense.


I said nothing of cancer and said everything about age and life expectancy. Obviously, spending 20K to treat a younger person (let's say 30 years old) saves more years of their life than spending 20K on treating a person who's 98 years old. The 98 year old's expected "years left" to live is much smaller than the 30 year old.

 

So again, I said nothing of cancer, and said everything of age. Your post contradicted that entirely. You are not making any sense. :P



wfz said:
michael_stutzer said:
wfz said:
A cure for cancer was found by some researchers at a Canadian university a number of years back, and it also never really saw the light of day. It was even tested years later (very recently) and found to be working properly.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/05/cure-for-cancer-resurfaces-and.html

Why these things don't get more funding to be worked on and pushed through to help save millions of lives? No idea.

Probably because in all honesty, the last thing we really need is more old people living, costing us more money. I hate to sound like an asshole, but the amount of money we spend (because they can't afford it) on elderly people every year to keep them alive for a few months longer at a time is absolutely ridiculously expensive. We either need to learn when to pull the plug and stop providing free care to these old people or we need to hurry up and figure out how to make ourselves immortal beings.

Problem with doing the latter is we'll either overpopulate too quickly, or we won't have kids and new life will hardly ever see the world.

/running off topic.

Age is an important factor in cancer, sure, but a lot of young people die because of cancer too. My uncle died because of cancer at the age of 37. A friend of me had cancer and only recently recovered, he is 27. You are not making any sense.


I said nothing of cancer and said everything about age and life expectancy. Obviously, spending 20K to treat a younger person (let's say 30 years old) saves more years of their life than spending 20K on treating a person who's 98 years old. The 98 year old's expected "years left" to live is much smaller than the 30 year old.

 

So again, I said nothing of cancer, and said everything of age. Your post contradicted that entirely. You are not making any sense. :P


You are saying that these things don't get more funding because they will die anyway and they cost us money, which means only old people have cancer.There is a "because" in your post which means they are related. And if you insist that they are unrelated then you are completely off-topic, you might as well talk about preorder charts.



There are probably hundreds of possible cures against cancer. Some of them might work. But there is only so much money into medical research, and all the possible cures cannot be chosen to be researched to an end. So you all ask, why this isn't chosen. Because probably ten other options look more promising and already get all the funding.



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michael_stutzer said:
 


You are saying that these things don't get more funding because they will die anyway and they cost us money, which means only old people have cancer.There is a "because" in your post which means they are related. And if you insist that they are unrelated then you are completely off-topic, you might as well talk about preorder charts.


No need to act so defensive and butthurt. :P I brought up relevant points to this thread's discussion, and my extra two cents were running off topic. I was still talking about saving lives and health care, so I think it was a biiiiit more on topic than discussing charts. =)

If you're so upset and adamant that we stay on topic, how come you didn't respond to the part of my post that directly related to this thread? The fact that a cure has been found years ago and it was essentially shunned from society, even when a few recent tests show it works properly and should be looked further into.

Concerning, wouldn't you agree? One theory was that it was too simplistic (monetarily speaking) and wouldn't make large medical companies much money, so since they didn't see a great monetary investment in it, they don't care about it. This leads to the thought that these medical companies care more about making money than saving lives. It's just a theory, however.

 

I wonder what will come of this new method.