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Does this argument make sense?

Yes 2 9.52%
 
No 19 90.48%
 
Total:21

Using a property of x to prove that x is true?

Well that's called begging the question.



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scottie said:
Using a property of x to prove that x is true?

Well that's called begging the question.


Actually, since Kant's famous counterexample with the golden thalers, "existence as a property" has generally be considered an untenable position. So it's not as much begging the question as defining what a property is.

Anyone interested should research Frege and Russell, or on the other side Meinong or Goedel's "proof of existence of God" - if you really have the mathematical guts to delve in it.

Let's just say that the "old" ontological argument is dead and buried, but Meinongian theories at least shed an interesting light on the issue of negative proposition of existence.



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I fail to see how this proves anything. It just says that if you believe in god he must be perfect therefore he must exist, but if you don't believe in god he can be imperfect with his flaw being that he doesn't exist. So how does this prove the existance of god for everyone?



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That whole argument seems like nothing but rambling to me.

 

Edit: Glad to see in the poll that no one agrees with it.



No, it's an unlogical and ridiculous argument.



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that's about on par with the argument "god exists because I said so"



Okay, who said Yes?



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Jay520 said:
NintendoPie said:
What Salnax said.
It's an opinion on viewing God as a perfect being... I'm not sure how that's absurd.


Sorry, I forgot the two most important paragraphs. It's tries to prove the existence of God by using the definition of a God. Basically, it says "the definition of a God requires a God must exist; therefore, God exists".

Oh, well then that does make sense... that's just plain stupid.