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Immortal said:
enrageorange said:

I'm pretty sure you are the one who needs to do the proving. Obviously no one can prove you wrong 2 months before the system is even launching

Or alternatively..

Motion control was an innovation, tablets no longer are. Nintendo consoles that haven't innovated have never sold over 50mil. 360 is rapidly catching up to the Wii in America and the PS3 is rapidly catching up in Europe. Nintendo is losing its dominance everywhere but Japan.

Wii U will sell much worse than the Wii. Prove me wrong.

Perspective. 50m in itself means nothing, being decades ago. SNES was actually a pretty decent success; it maintained more than 80% of its predecessor's sales, with much, much stiffer competiton; in fact, the fifth generation was probably the most competetive ever, with the Sega Genesis managing a very comparable 40m.

Also, if we bring handheld sales into this (I don't see why not; it's the same industry), Nintendo's non-"innovative" GBA managed over 80m against less than 120m for GB. The thing here is that Gameboy sales include GBC, which was a fairly big deal graphically, meaning a significant amount of people probably upgraded, making the userbase not more than 80-90m at best. Also, GBA was killed very prematurely (its successor launched three and a half years after it) when it was barely hitting its stride, so it probably would've done a lot more.

Looking at this kind of precedent, I'd say it's very likely that WiiU will do about as well as Wii, since competition is likely to be much weaker, given Sony's financial state and the Vita, and there's no reason for WiiU to be killed prematurely by a successor.

Thats why I mentioned consoles specifically. Nintendo has a stranglehold on handheld gaming. Yes the psp sold tremendously well, but i firmly believe the sales were due to it being a popular multimedia device, not a popular gaming device. Hence why the vita is doing so poorly now that everyone has moved on to smartphones,  and hence the abysmal tie-ratio, despite it being a "core console gaming experience." Yes people will argue its due to pirating. But the 360 suffers heavy pirating and yet it has the highest attach ratio this gen. Heck even the "kiddy friendly ds" which is also amazingly easy to pirate on has a higher attach ratio.

The Wii U faces much stiffer competition if this gen is any indication of the future. The 360 and PS3 are going to end up having sales quite close to the wii when all is said and done. The 360 has made big headway in attracting some of the wii's casual audience. All three future consoles are going to feature some sort of motion control and tablet esque connectivity from the get go. The one big advantage the Wii U has is that its launching a year early. But if it ends up being much weaker than the nextbox and ps4, and third parties aren't able to just port the same games to it, I think its going to sell considerably less than the wii considering how fierce competition is for the casual audience currently.



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I dunno, I don't see MS and Sony withstanding a lineup that consists of 2D and 3D Mario, Smash Brothers, Mario Kart, Zelda, Dragon Quest, Wii Fit, Just Dance, and now with the currently rumored Call of Duty and Monster Hunter. Also, the power gap between consoles will probably not be as great this time around, which could mean cross porting of other HD consoles hits like GTA, RE, Final Fantasy, and so on.

The gap in sales is pure speculation and remains to be seen, but I really feel this is Nintendo's generation to lose.



You are correct that nintendo will beat out xbox in japan. but i don't think they will beat out sony. the wii has sputtered the last couple years and has yet to reach 100 million units. what makes you think the wii u will do any better. 3rd party support will continue to be an issue especially since the wii u won't be able to handle newer games once the ps4 and next xbox hit shelves. consoles sales will be down across the board. what started as a revolution in gaming has quickly been seen for what it is. motion controls are at best an interesting alternative while at worst they are a gimmick. i bought a wii at the height of the popularity. it has done nothing but sit gathering dust for the past year or so. once people run out of the first party games which nintendo always does a good job with, there won't be that third party stuff to fall on. and for those who say the wii u will be powerful enough don't make me laugh. the wii u barely puts nintendo ahead of current gen. if you guys would look at the amount of power that will likely be going into the next gen xbox and ps, you'll quickly realize that the power differencial will quickly be a problem for nintendo again and third party support will dry up. playstation and xbox will be around 50-60 million units each for the next gen while wii u will be somewhere around 40 million or maybe 50 if the fanboys come out in force. nintendo has always been the cheaper console and that has been what drives their sales. this gen they will be priced right alongside sony and microsoft. nintendo first party won't be enough to save this unworthy console from last place



Shepard4416 said:
You are correct that nintendo will beat out xbox in japan. but i don't think they will beat out sony. the wii has sputtered the last couple years and has yet to reach 100 million units. what makes you think the wii u will do any better. 3rd party support will continue to be an issue especially since the wii u won't be able to handle newer games once the ps4 and next xbox hit shelves. consoles sales will be down across the board. what started as a revolution in gaming has quickly been seen for what it is. motion controls are at best an interesting alternative while at worst they are a gimmick. i bought a wii at the height of the popularity. it has done nothing but sit gathering dust for the past year or so. once people run out of the first party games which nintendo always does a good job with, there won't be that third party stuff to fall on. and for those who say the wii u will be powerful enough don't make me laugh. the wii u barely puts nintendo ahead of current gen. if you guys would look at the amount of power that will likely be going into the next gen xbox and ps, you'll quickly realize that the power differencial will quickly be a problem for nintendo again and third party support will dry up. playstation and xbox will be around 50-60 million units each for the next gen while wii u will be somewhere around 40 million or maybe 50 if the fanboys come out in force. nintendo has always been the cheaper console and that has been what drives their sales. this gen they will be priced right alongside sony and microsoft. nintendo first party won't be enough to save this unworthy console from last place

Stopped reading after this - quite possibly the most overused cliche about the Wii, or any console, this generation.



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Metallicube, you really think nintendo will get an exclusive call of duty? and monster hunter is only big in japan buddy. i don't see anyone stateside playing it that's for sure. and did you really list wii fit as a selling point for the wii u. grasping for straws i think. the other games are great sure, but first party isn't enough to sell consoles long term. wii has struggled the last 2 years in sales because they have no third party support for that weak console. wii u will be a little better but it will dry up once the game engines of the next gen can't run on wii u. power difference will be as bad or even worse then current gen. and even if wii u is great, it will be hurt by the wii. i know MANY people that have told me they won't be buying the next gen nintendo because they bought a wii and it just sits there. the wii u is not different enough to generate the excitement the wii did. even i bought one and have regretted it. and porting old games is a crutch if nintendo does it. what am i saying? they are doing. Mass effect 3? Batman Arkham Asylum? wow i totally didn't play those on my 360 almost a year ago! i just dont see enough from nintendo and the wii u to see anymore then half the sales of the wii.



Shepard4416 said:
Metallicube, you really think nintendo will get an exclusive call of duty?

Nowhere did I say "exclusive..."

and monster hunter is only big in japan buddy. i don't see anyone stateside playing it that's for sure.and did you really list wii fit as a selling point for the wii u.

And what is Japan, chopped liver? It is the third biggest gaming market in the world, and Monster Hunter is currently one of the top franchises in Japan. It single handedly revived the all-but-dead PSP in Japan.

No, you're right, Wii Fit, a franchise that has sold like 40 million copies isn't a selling point for the Wii U... :/

grasping for straws i think. the other games are great sure, but first party isn't enough to sell consoles long term. wii has struggled the last 2 years in sales because they have no third party support for that weak console.

Sure, it has struggled the last couple years, but you can't take away from the fact that is nearing 100 million sold and will probably reach that by this time next year. That's a pretty damn good accomplishment, especially coming from a predecessor that only sold 22 million.

wii u will be a little better but it will dry up once the game engines of the next gen can't run on wii u. power difference will be as bad or even worse then current gen.

Can I borrow your crystal ball? You seem to know a lot about Sony and MS's next gen consoles, which have yet to even be unveiled.

and even if wii u is great, it will be hurt by the wii. i know MANY people that have told me they won't be buying the next gen nintendo because they bought a wii and it just sits there. the wii u is not different enough to generate the excitement the wii did. even i bought one and have regretted it. and porting old games is a crutch if nintendo does it. what am i saying? they are doing. Mass effect 3? Batman Arkham Asylum? wow i totally didn't play those on my 360 almost a year ago! i just dont see enough from nintendo and the wii u to see anymore then half the sales of the wii.

It will boil down to the quality of the game lineup. If Nintendo delivers with a phethora of great games, even the biggest Wii cynics will eventually give in a buy a Wii U.

In regards to the ports.. EVERY console launches with ports of old games. Doesn't mean anything. Obviously there will be less ports and more new games when developers have had more time to work with the console.





Shepard4416 said:
Metallicube, you really think nintendo will get an exclusive call of duty? and monster hunter is only big in japan buddy. i don't see anyone stateside playing it that's for sure. and did you really list wii fit as a selling point for the wii u. grasping for straws i think. the other games are great sure, but first party isn't enough to sell consoles long term. wii has struggled the last 2 years in sales because they have no third party support for that weak console. wii u will be a little better but it will dry up once the game engines of the next gen can't run on wii u. power difference will be as bad or even worse then current gen. and even if wii u is great, it will be hurt by the wii. i know MANY people that have told me they won't be buying the next gen nintendo because they bought a wii and it just sits there. the wii u is not different enough to generate the excitement the wii did. even i bought one and have regretted it. and porting old games is a crutch if nintendo does it. what am i saying? they are doing. Mass effect 3? Batman Arkham Asylum? wow i totally didn't play those on my 360 almost a year ago! i just dont see enough from nintendo and the wii u to see anymore then half the sales of the wii.


Welcome to VGChartz BTW (assuming you are a new user).

PS3 had every single major 3rd party game you could possibly imagine in Japan in addition to 1st party Sony titles.

Think about that.......

Its been 6 years and has yet to sell 9 million units there. Even worse, titles that push Playstations like Final Fantasy are on the decline due to quality issues.

If the PS3 could not succeed there despite Blu-Ray format, complete 3rd party support, and the strongest graphics of the gen, what more could they possibly do? Sony's first party vision isn't even concerned with Japan as it appears; their titles have become more artistic and aesthetically  focused than ever. I don't see anything besides Gran Turismo itself that will sell more than 1.15 million  over there, and we all know that won't be there for launch. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, and Media Molecule are the only studios they have capable releasing AAA titles on time anyways.

PS3 launch price is cited as a major reason for its sales issues, but if we expect PS4 to be a GENERATION above the ~$300 Wii U, how much do you think its gonna cost? If they try anything above $400 they are gonna get hardware sales even worse than they did for PS3 in Japan.

Power is really the only option, because there will be ~18 months where Wii U is by itself collecting marketshare. None of the PS4/720 games will look better than 1st  party Wii U games during at least the first 3 months of their respective launches. Who will have something multiplatform built from the ground up that womps PS3 graphics at the PS4 launch? Introduce me to this man so I can shake his hand. In the meantime, the Wii U will have 1  version of at least all major annual sports games in addition to several ports of critically acclaimed titles.



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I really don't think Nintendo got much audience from the PS2/XBox crowd. I think it was more like

Nintendo's core base (20 million) + the Soccer mom/Wii Fit/Sports/elderly/lapsed gamer crowd + properly utilizing Mario nostalgia. That was the Wii "trinity" for their userbase. 

I think Nintendo's "core" base actually shrunk with the Wii even if the overall userbase went up. They had big trouble selling stuff like Xenoblade, Sin & Punishment 2, Excitebots, etc. on Wii, whereas even on the GameCube games like Viewtiful Joe and Pikmin and Tales of Symphonia and Soul Calibur 2 were able to find reasonable success.

Mario and DKC did well on Wii for Nintendo, but a lot of other IP fell by the wayside, to the point where NOA couldn't even bother with IP like The Last Story by the end of the gen. That's the type of game that probably would've done OK on the GameCube and would've killed it on the N64 (barring cartridge restrictions).

Nintendo is really not competing against MS/Sony right now (maybe that will change), the Wii was the trendy/hip thing for casual consumers to buy circa 2006-2009. What they're really fighting against is their brand running out of steam/no longer being the cool trend. Without a new hook as trendy as the Wiimote, that's the real challenge for Nintendo, it's very hard to replicate the same formula, without the same hook.