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ninetailschris said:


All I get from this the internet is confusing and unreliable lol.

Let's see what Nintendo says because they know 100 percent and rumors have just been shown not to even be 10 percent.

If the gpu like sega said it high then I'm pretty sure the rumors about it being 4850 is false because it's good butnot surpisable.

With so many rumors about upgrades and stuff nothing is for sure but later on it will.

Shigeru Miyamoto
"We're very sensitive, of course, to trying to do all of this at an appropriate price. So I don't know that we would be able to sit here and say that it's going to necessarily dramatically outperform the systems that are out now."

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/06/wii_u_striking_balance_between_performance_and_price

"The system itself hasn't really changed. In order to maintain a consistent development environment, you really have to fix your specs at one point and let people know what they're designing for, so they can make good progress," 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/20/miyamoto-discusses-wii-us-future?

And the Wii U likely doesn't have a GPU as powerful as a HD 4850 that is over 4 times as powerful as the X360's Xenos which would certainly be dramatically outperforming IMO. 



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zarx said:

And the Wii U likely doesn't have a GPU as powerful as a HD 4850 that is over 4 times as powerful as the X360's Xenos which would certainly be dramatically outperforming IMO. 

Partially correct.   Many people early on suggested the Wii U's GPU would be based on the HD 4770 which is only slightly less powerful than the HD 4850 (960 Gflops vs 1000 Gflops).

I myself still believe the HD 4770 is likely given the power consumption benefits and currently active die process (40 nm).



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zarx said:
ninetailschris said:


All I get from this the internet is confusing and unreliable lol.

Let's see what Nintendo says because they know 100 percent and rumors have just been shown not to even be 10 percent.

If the gpu like sega said it high then I'm pretty sure the rumors about it being 4850 is false because it's good butnot surpisable.

With so many rumors about upgrades and stuff nothing is for sure but later on it will.

Shigeru Miyamoto
"We're very sensitive, of course, to trying to do all of this at an appropriate price. So I don't know that we would be able to sit here and say that it's going to necessarily dramatically outperform the systems that are out now."

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/06/wii_u_striking_balance_between_performance_and_price

"The system itself hasn't really changed. In order to maintain a consistent development environment, you really have to fix your specs at one point and let people know what they're designing for, so they can make good progress," 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/20/miyamoto-discusses-wii-us-future?

And the Wii U likely doesn't have a GPU as powerful as a HD 4850 that is over 4 times as powerful as the X360's Xenos which would certainly be dramatically outperforming IMO


Exactly.

 

Vasely outperfrom is a subjective view. n64 to gamecube could be example  oppose to gamecube to wii.

He was probbably stating it wouldn't be so powerful it would make current gen look like a n64 to gamecube which is already known.



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Viper1 said:
zarx said:

And the Wii U likely doesn't have a GPU as powerful as a HD 4850 that is over 4 times as powerful as the X360's Xenos which would certainly be dramatically outperforming IMO. 

Partially correct.   Many people early on suggested the Wii U's GPU would be based on the HD 4770 which is only slightly less powerful than the HD 4850 (960 Gflops vs 1000 Gflops).

I myself still believe the HD 4770 is likely given the power consumption benefits and currently active die process (40 nm).

personally I doubt that there will be a direct parrellel to any existing R700 SKU. It will be a custom chip likely with a whole bunch of EDRAM.



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Sure the next xbox and ps console will have plenty more power... the question is, how many developers are going to be investing the millions into taking advantage of it? I mean PC's smoking consoles now but the best looking games on PC aren't leaps ahead of whats on consoles now. I believe nintendo is on the right path with what they are doing. Smaller developers will be able to maintain their current engines with modest improvement on the WiiU and continue to output content at a steady rate, while only the major developers will more than likely be making games for the higher end consoles. The WiiU will be fine power wise which is apparent in the ram alone. Once devs start pushing it they will get some beautiful titles out of it that will be damn near indistinguishable from the best on the market from whoever else is out there. Only time will tell though



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zarx said:
Viper1 said:
zarx said:

And the Wii U likely doesn't have a GPU as powerful as a HD 4850 that is over 4 times as powerful as the X360's Xenos which would certainly be dramatically outperforming IMO. 

Partially correct.   Many people early on suggested the Wii U's GPU would be based on the HD 4770 which is only slightly less powerful than the HD 4850 (960 Gflops vs 1000 Gflops).

I myself still believe the HD 4770 is likely given the power consumption benefits and currently active die process (40 nm).

personally I doubt that there will be a direct parrellel to any existing R700 SKU. It will be a custom chip likely with a whole bunch of EDRAM.

Certainly all console GPU's are custom but they tend to be built from a specific model's groundwork.   Even a simple clock change would be enough to call it a custom chip.  It simply needs to be something other than the absolute default.  How much AMD customizes it is another question but their is no question that it will be based on an existing GPU.



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Viper1 said:
zarx said:

And the Wii U likely doesn't have a GPU as powerful as a HD 4850 that is over 4 times as powerful as the X360's Xenos which would certainly be dramatically outperforming IMO. 

Partially correct.   Many people early on suggested the Wii U's GPU would be based on the HD 4770 which is only slightly less powerful than the HD 4850 (960 Gflops vs 1000 Gflops).

I myself still believe the HD 4770 is likely given the power consumption benefits and currently active die process (40 nm).


Viper, assuming the HD 4770 is the one that the system uses..how much more powerful than the 360 and PS3 GPUs it really is?



JGarret said:
Viper1 said:

Partially correct.   Many people early on suggested the Wii U's GPU would be based on the HD 4770 which is only slightly less powerful than the HD 4850 (960 Gflops vs 1000 Gflops).

I myself still believe the HD 4770 is likely given the power consumption benefits and currently active die process (40 nm).


Viper, assuming the HD 4770 is the one that the system uses..how much more powerful than the 360 and PS3 GPUs it really is?

If we compare the actual PC GPU, it's a good deal more powerful.   But we can't be certain if the are going to keep the clocks the same, increase them, decrease them, what the effects of the eDRAM will do, etc...

But, based on the knowns we get the following:

PS3's RSX : 190 Gflops
X360's Xenos :  240 Gflops
HD 4770:  960 Gflops



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When did the it swith to 4770? All rumors pointed to it using one of the 4800s with the 4850 being the big contender.



lilbroex said:
When did the it swith to 4770? All rumors pointed to it using one of the 4800s with the 4850 being the big contender.


4770 was the initial rumor to being with because of its combination of power efficiency, modern die process and power.



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