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kitler53 said:
kowenicki said:
Spanish local politics..... Just about the most corrupt there is.

i live in chicago!

What a lucky-duck you're! (No, seriously, I love Chi-City!)

Errrrr... can't he just, you know, demand groceries for the poor instead of doing this? xD



Carl is a Piplup hater and deserves to be punished eternally.

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SamuelRSmith said:
Player2 said:
kowenicki said:
Spanish local politics..... Just about the most corrupt there is.

While the truth is that the majority of the spanish politics are corrupt, and said corruption is the ultimate cause of the economical problems in Spain (even more than the housing bubble), I don't know anything about him or why he did it (popularity? or maybe he's one of the few politicians that actually cares abut the people?).

Right now things look really bad for people in Spain.

 


If he's stealing (or endorsing/condoning stealing) from a business  (which already has to go through a tonne of shit in the Spanish/European taxation/regulatory code) to give to others... he only cares about a certain group of people.

If he cares about those that need it more... it is a nice change, normally politicians only care about those that have more.

Things are very bad in Spain right now (and it's going to get worse), whenever I take a walk I see people searching for food in the trash cans near the supermarkets.

@NintendoPie you can't demand the groceries because they haven't done anything bad.



mrstickball said:
Congrats.

What happens to the poor farmers that raised the crops? How will they get paid to continue to farm since the crops were stolen at the stores? How will the stores recoup the stolen cash?

That kind of mentality is exactly why they have a near-25% unemployment rate. For being the smartest continent, they sure do have a lot of economically impaired leaders.

The poor farmers that raise the crops already get paid, and very badly by the exploiter distributor.

I'm pretty sure that the stores had an insurance policy.

Please don't compare the european politicians with the spanish ones, our politicians are 100% more impaired and 200% more corrupt than the europeans.



DieAppleDie said:
The mayor of Marinaleda is the only honest politician in Spain, he fights for the rights of the low class
Marinaleda is like a little paradise in a rotten apple


This shows you know nothing of this guy. He is the major of a commie theme park, paid with tons of subsidies. He talks of cleanness and says that other politicians are corrupt, when he was getting paid two salaries as a history teacher, and as the major (when it was discovered, he just said he didn't knew he was still being paid as a teacher)

In Andalusia we have one of the highest taxations in all Spain, with a 55% marginal income tax, soon to be 21% sales tax, ridiculous burdens to create a company... Only to subsidize this type of guys. He said that his labor union (SAT, Andalusian syndicate of workers) didn't receive any subsidy, but he lied about it, as one of the groups that belong to it, SOC, receives lots of subsidies.

He wants to create a communist society in Andalusia, and still people praise him. I can tell you something, we don't want to be a new Cuba or a new Venezuela, we want to prosper, and Sanchez Gordillo wants to create a society with all equally poor and controlled by him and his friends. It's funny to see people praise this commie leaders, but it's easy to do so from a distance. Go to Venezuela, live there some time, and then praise that type of society.



Big deal, I walked across the whole of spain in "blistering heat" 800KM. I walked it in July last year and it's hotter then and I'm from the UK so hardly used to heat...oh I also carried a 12KG backpack.

Shut your face mister mayor!

 

<----------------- That's me there walking across spain!



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DieAppleDie said:
Spain is a mess
and is full of hicks
Politics are a joke,
they convince people to vote for them with dirty tricks,

and they win elections, after winning,

they favor the companies they form part of, or supported them in the beggining
theres no democracy,

its just idiots getting brainwashed, and politics stealing wealth from the people

but its no different from most countries in the world...sadly :(

Is this a poem?



As a spanish myself I just can't believe the amount of missunderstunding and stupid things I am reading here.

1. The SAT (The Labour Union where Gordillo is politically active) did't assault grocery stores, but two different big supermarkets (Mercadona and Carrefour) which have big profits and a long history of bulling againts their workers (you can find more info about this from CNT, the biggest anarcho-sindicalist union in spain).

2. It was planned as a single action to raise attention on the situation of many families in Andalusía where, with an unemployment rate of 33% and an agrarian based economy, is one of the provinces worst affected by the crisis.

3. They didnt steal anything for them, but inestead gave all the stuff (just articles to satisfy basic needs`like vegetables, cereals, milk, etc.) to families that are acctually ocuppying a series of buildings in the center of Sevilla because they loose their jobs and couldn't pay their mortages, not even their food. (The place where this community of families is staying is called "Utopía La Corrala", in case you want to search info in the internet).

4. The peacefull asault to the supermarket is the last action of a union that has been fighting for the rights of the people of andalusía from décades. In andalusía, most of the land is in the hands of a bunch of families and landlords while, as I previously said, 33% of the population is unemployd. As an agrarian province itself, and with that rate of people without jobs (and, consecuently, families without anything to eat) it would be fair to redistribute the land to the peasants to give them a way to satisfy their needs. But since the dictator Franco era nothing has changed in terms of land distribution (despite some land occupation actions by the SAT finished with some nobility forced to give their land to the peasants).

5. As a single action that pretenst to raise concern and make pressure, and since not all the Mercadona and Carrefour stuff come from andalusía crops, it won't be detrimental to the producers, like someone said.

6. Of course, there are many cases of corruption in Spain in many levels, but also there are honest politics that work for their peoples, are concerned of the problems of spanish society and try to change things. To say that all spanish local policy is corrupted is a generalization that, like all generalizations, is stupid and ignorant.

7. Like all the other unions, SAT recibes subsidies, but that money is not for the members of the Union, but to develop programs of education, job workshops, etc. to give the people the skills to avoid unemplyment. Not a single Euro goes to the pocket of ANY member of the union, so dont manipulate, please.


So, from my point of view, the assault was more than justified and I hope than everyday more and more people takes action to put pressure on the goverment and the rich in order to force a better distribution of the wealth and a solution to the crisis.

(It would be interesting to take a look at the situation of Marinaleda, the town where Gordillo is Mayor and where there is no unemployment, housing mortages are paid 15 Euros a month [around 12$, since its a basicc need] and basic social services like education, health, job workshops, etc. are free and universal, but this post has become too long already).



Zarkho said:

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(It would be interesting to take a look at the situation of Marinaleda, the town where Gordillo is Mayor and where there is no unemployment, housing mortages are paid 15 Euros a month [around 12$, since its a basicc need] and basic social services like education, health, job workshops, etc. are free and universal, but this post has become too long already).

That's paid by all the other Spaniards who pay the taxes needed to subsidy Marinaleda. Marinaleda can't sustain by itself, but people like you want to believe that propaganda.

This is a photo of Sanchez Gordillo in his office:

Do you know who is in that photo? Ernesto Che Guevara, a known mass murderer and one of the culprits of the Cuba dictatorship.



Player2 said:
mrstickball said:
Congrats.

What happens to the poor farmers that raised the crops? How will they get paid to continue to farm since the crops were stolen at the stores? How will the stores recoup the stolen cash?

That kind of mentality is exactly why they have a near-25% unemployment rate. For being the smartest continent, they sure do have a lot of economically impaired leaders.

The poor farmers that raise the crops already get paid, and very badly by the exploiter distributor.

I'm pretty sure that the stores had an insurance policy.

Please don't compare the european politicians with the spanish ones, our politicians are 100% more impaired and 200% more corrupt than the europeans.

just talking in general and not only about this case in spain now, an insurance doesn#t make it much better. higher costs for the insurance means higher costs for your insurance. if they have too many problems with you, they throw you out and you don't find a new insurance.

it's not as if you destroy a retailer, that there are no costs because he get's his money from insurance, no, the damage is the same, just more people have to pay for it and not only the retailer.

here in germany we always have a demonstration on first of may. then there are some assholes who throw stones in some shops because they demonstrate against something they don't even know what they demonstrate against if you ask most...they burn some cars and shit like that. i always wonder why they do that to the poor shop owners and poor car owners who have maybe financial problems and who are happy if they can live from their hard work.



So, when the grocery stores raise the price on all food to make up for the food that was stolen won't the number of people he "needs" to steal food for increase?

What happens when food prices become too high for anyone to afford and the store goes out of business, where do people buy food from then?