"I was with you until this.  Sony hang on to plenty of franchises from previous generations:"

"Gran Turismo"

I don't count this as a character based game was the reason why I didn't meantion it. Great game but I wouldn't count it because it's racing game that is more cars based than character.

Wipeout I will give you no question. They did built it up.

Ape was out in 2010 right? Previously hadn't been seen in 5 years and don't think it was much of a draw or build up very good at all. How did it sell or how sony treat it? Plus I think it's safe to say it's not coming ack after the ps3 sales and lack of effort.

"Syphon"

I haven't seen that game in so long since the psp? Is it on PSN or something? How did sny treat it and how did it sell?

"God of War"

I said God of War. No argument here.

"Ratchet & Clank"

No argument you are right. I love the series btw I thank sony for that.

"Sly cooper"

Recently came back after 5-6 years gone so I would wait before saying that. Plus we have to wait and see do they care enough to promo it good. It's a wait and see more than they keep it.

"Killzone"

I will give you. Though I feel like lately he has been overshadowed by other games but I think the reasons were fair.

When it comes to the part of building up I think we can both agree that work needs to be done. Because  the best way to become number one is to show your unique games and build them.

"107,460 online sales for uncharted in may"

So safe to bet it probably increased to 165,000 range.

Putting it around 780,000 -850,000 range.

6 months your right my mistake.

But still mario sold a million a week.

We should have some psp made characters by now.

I'm not in denial about anything, for me to be in denial, I would have to have an opinion on its position. If anything: I think I'm being objective and disinterested.

But that doesn't mean the persistant doom, gloom and shortsightedness doesn't get irritating. 

I mean- let me get this straight. Most are saying If the Vita has an average Christmas season, (which argueably is its first true one) Sony will shut up shop and call time on it. They won't bother releasing/announcing anymore games for it, because if AC/COD "fails", then that's the end of that. Completely overlooking the fact that Sony and others might have things being worked on in the background, things no one knows about.

Rather than thinking about the bigger picture, people just look at what they can get and draw conclusions. Jackie boy says the numbers are "acceptable", seriously: who are any of you to say he should be thinking otherwise? Sure he might be posturing but unless you can give me proof that's not what he actually thinks then you can't speak on his behalf but take his word for it. What people forget is that he also says, he would prefer triple the numbers and a 1/3 would be worse. In summary he says the numbers could be better but they could be worse, If that's the case, I too would say the numbers are "acceptable".

I'll say again, I don't have shares in Sony so I don't care how many "units" they sell on a monthly bases, because that does fuck all to my enjoyment of a console. Only thing I care about is if they give me the games I want, if they do, I love them forever, if they don't then fuck them. I'm not that "loyal" to them to be blinded by the lights. Sony's shares rising has no impact to me whatsoever, Sony's shares falling also has no impact to me whatsoever.

However with that said, I do get annoyed by people who use the here and now situation to argue the end of the world, enough to actually want to say something.

What annoys me is Armchair analysts claiming they are oracles on the subject. No offence but I'm more likely to buy the word of a suit-in-the-know. Don't get me wrong, I'm not entirely stupid, if he had said "the numbers are perfect, we could not have asked for a better count" I would have been suspicious, but he said they are "acceptable."
That puts him in a better stead than anyone here- why? Because he actually has a clue what he's talking about.

Way I see the situation is this

No matter how much the Vita sells, people will always want more. Point of reference: PS3, supposedly it's doing better monthly than the 360 but people are still saying "well, it still hasn't caught up yet." I'm willing to bet if it does catch up, People will say "Whatever, we've moved on from that now, therefore it doesn't count." (in fact I've already seen people using that arguement).

Hey, I'm sure Jack wouldn't say no to a few extra sales right?

Everyone thinks, a Monster Hunter, a COD or an AC will "save" the Vita. But what everyone forget is 

THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET.

Wether or not Vita is selling badly isn't an opinion. It' s a fact. We have the numbers.  Wether you are disinterested or don't have shares in Sony isn't relevant.  

And I don't know why you keep talking about Jack's PR statement. It's not hard to compare Vita to  past handhelds or consoles and see that Vita isn't selling at the rate a handheld headed for success should be. You don't have to be a business genius or work at Sony to see that. Even PSP was in a better situation and had better 3rd party support.

And don't twist my words, what I said is Sony admitted they are relying on COD and AC sales to bring in 3rd parties. If they don't then Vita will be in a worse situation because, you know, they need good third party support.

Oh, and I've been through with you on this already, magic bullet = system sellers. Games with mass appeal that move hardware, drive hardware adoption. It's a simple concept of the industry and it's annoying that you can't seem to grasp it.

At this point I will just be going in circles  with you and it's obvious you will stay in your denial.

Fuck sake

Sorry, but In an industry that is many decades old, we know what good sales and bad sales are.  The factual numbers are there, everyone can see it isn't selling well except you who clings to a PR statement.

Could they afford more losses?

The vita shouldn't get a price cut until after Christmas. And they should work on making the vita profitable (Because they don't make a profit at the current price I believe) while producing good games at a furious rate.

Vita is not doomed, the problem is that Sony doesn't even have a clue of what market they are trying to attract. They spent $50 millions with "Never Stop Playing" market (which was, clearly, a mistake) just to make people say: "hey, if I have a PS3, why do I even need a PSV? just to play my PS3 games on the go? nah... not gonna spend a lot of money just to do it". Seriously, "Never Stop Playing" is probably one of the worst marketing ideas ever.

They need more exclusive games for vita (Patapon? Loco Roco? Exclusive God of War/GTA?), I don't think COD is going to save Vita.

I think Vita will do well on the long run.

Lesson 1: That would be ignoring the success of almost every last one of PSP's multimillion sellers.  Though In the case of PSP and PSV I personally would have taken a small hit in graphics for better battery life(Or mod you PSP and play games off the memory stick). When those console games cost practically nothing to produce(Sly and PSA:BR UMVC3 etc are great examples) why not have them to bolster the overall library?  More games equals more options for consumers.  So long as portable specific games are being made it isn't a bad idea. Not to mention you could have a MH situation where a console game finds a great new audience.   

Lesson 2: Because of inflation $250 in '12 is about a 17.5% discount over $250 in '05.  It has price parity with tablets that have lower specifications including most of the iPads and N7.  $100 would have only gotten you 8 to 16 GB of storage for PSP. now it's 32 GB.  That's a 2-4x increase discounting our 17.5% inflation.  PSN is no Steam but they have done well to regularly mark down prices and get content to acceptable prices. They really are the most flexible of the big 3 when it comes to online business models with ftp games in Japan and MMO's etc.

Sony's only sins are that their developers are slower than molasses on a cold day(sans maybe ND, SM and SP) and that they aren't very passionate about portable games otherwise we would have games from those studios on Vita and that's why they don't make Vita a priority because thier major studios aren't very passionate about it.  Having PS Suite ready before launch would have probably helped alot with smaller digital releases to help fill the gaps and niche gamer appetites.  If all else fails port Android 4.0 or 4.1. Hardware will sell like crazy.  

The Vita will be fine. It's doing pretty badly at the moment, but things will pick up once more games arrive and Sony cuts the price. It worked for the 3DS, it'll work for the Vita too.

I'm kind of biased when it comes to the PS3; I don't want it too fail, but I don't want it to do TOO well because I REALLY don't want to have to wait until 2016 for the PS4.

The vita better not be doomed cause im planning on buying one soon :/