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Kresnik on 08 August 2012
jonnybmk said:
KungKras said:
Is it fair to speculate about the likelyhood of Vita failing now?


Not quite yet.

The line-up was supposed to dominate, when it didn't, it was Gravity Rush and Persona 4 that would save it, that didn't happen. Resistance: Burning Skies got mixed in there as well as MSG: HD Collection and Mod Nation Racers as possible "killer" softwares. But sales never materialized. (Uncharted still best selling title BY A MILE.)

Now it's LBP & CoD that will supposedly save it. If that DOESN'T happen, then yes, Vita will be an epic failure sales wise (and not just compared to 3DS).

It's needs a price cut yesterday.


I'm not sure who it was that told you MGS, Modnation or Resistance were going to 'dominate'.  One port already out for other systems and two series on the decline aren't going to do anything.  And like someone else before me mentioned, Persona 4 did give it a boost.  Gravity Rush I didn't follow, I assume it didn't though.  New IP and all that.

CoD and Assassin's Creed are far more likely to reach Uncharted's software numbers than any of those games.  I don't think LBP will do a lot, although I'm hope I'm wrong.



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oniyide on 08 August 2012
spurgeonryan said:
oniyide said:
SaviorX said:

You know exactly what I am talking about. It is clear as day that Kid Icarus will not be responsible for selling 3DS this year. That responsibiltiy lies on NSMB2. By timed exclusive, there are games in Japan like Monster Hunter 3G and the aforementioned Fire Emblem that are available in Japan, but nowhere else. The West needs a major game to release in the same fashion, but that game is Mario again in 2 weeks.

MK7 and SM3DLand released late 2011

But those two games you mentioned are not popular in the US anyway, they never were. I dont think MH or FE boosted any hardward when released in the US, so how do you expect those to help out 3DS if released in the US?? Whether they get released day and date of the Japanese ones, is irrelevant if most people dont care.   What 3DS needs more of is the games that made DS real popular, it already got the Mario Kart which is doing well. Nintendogs didnt do much, needs a cooking mama and Pokemon


I agree with what Savior is saying. Why is Nintendo just going at this half hearted? I know you are happy with the 3DS Oniyide, but obviously I am not alone in the thought that it is lacking in the West. They need to get some games out. It already has the system sellers, but now it needs other reasons to buy the 3DS. No one wants a handheld for just a few games. You may only end up playing a game or two, but in your mind you are saying, "I want variety, and a lot of options". The 3DS is not doing that here in the West. Also I want to be treated the same as Japan and Europe by Nintendo. I am sick of games going to Europe first or games not leaving Japan at all. If America is treated right we are going to be the ones to give Nintendo the sales, but they do not seem to care at all. They give us a hype busting E3, the XL last, Mario Last, Heroes of Ruin last, etc. So I agree with Savior that Nintendo's strategy sucks right now. Stop dumping on the 300 plus million possible customers in America Nintendo and give us some surprises. I blame Reggie. I never realized it, but it must be his fault. Why else are we not getting games in America? Why are we still waiting for The Last Story and Pandora's Tower? He is in charge of NoA and he is failing big time! I would not be surprised if we got the Wii U after everyone else.

Lol! you NOW realize Reggie sucks? Welcome to the party, glad you could finally make it. Where you in denial this whole time? 

You know looking at the list of games that have released this year and the games i have bought and will buy. You're right. It hasnt been stellar, I wont say its horrible, but you know what thats probably just the Kingdom Hearts talking.  Japan will always get some games first and gets more support, that is Ninty's home country and it takes time to translate some games, thats how its always been and thats probably how it will always be. I think by now you should've gotten over it, but if you feel so strongly. Dont support the Japanese companies. Now NOE, i dont know what the hell is going on with them, i think they are just finally getting their stuff together and the combo of that and Reggie just sucking makes NOA look even worse. 

"I want variety, and a lot of options" Um no not really.  As ive  stated, i dont have the same expectations or needs for my portables that I do my consoles. I owned about 7 games for GB/C. about 9 for GBA.  7 for DS. I never once thought to myself that i need more games for those systems. I was perfectly fine with what i had. Now i bought a hell of alot more for PSP, but thats just cause that whole thing is more console like anyway, but thats neither here nor there. I understand that people want more, and i am sorry that you are not a satisfied customer. Personally I think your expectations of a portable system are a bit high, but thats just my opinion.



UltimateUnknown on 08 August 2012

3DS is on fire in Japan. Now if only they could somehow get at least half those numbers in the west then that would be crazy.



 

NintendoPie on 08 August 2012
Kresnik said:


It's quite a sad precedent Nintendo seem to have set for future systems by slashing the price of the 3DS so early.  Now anything that doesn't take off within the first 6+ months needs a price cut and nothing else.  Not games, not bundles, not features, just a price cut, because that's what the 3DS did.  Ugh.

I don't know why you think a Price Cut won't help, but whatever.

It needs to happen.



Andrespetmonkey on 08 August 2012
Kresnik said:
NintendoPie said:

A price-cut is needed regardless of how many games come.


It's quite a sad precedent Nintendo seem to have set for future systems by slashing the price of the 3DS so early.  Now anything that doesn't take off within the first 6+ months needs a price cut and nothing else.  Not games, not bundles, not features, just a price cut, because that's what the 3DS did.  Ugh.

I think it was a smart move by Nintendo. Sell it with a huge profit margin initially, and then as soon as the competitor comes out drasticaly slash the price and steal its thunder. I don't know if this was the plan all along, but if the 3DS was still the same price the Vita would have higher sales and the 3DS would have much lower sales.



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Kresnik on 08 August 2012
NintendoPie said:
Kresnik said:


It's quite a sad precedent Nintendo seem to have set for future systems by slashing the price of the 3DS so early.  Now anything that doesn't take off within the first 6+ months needs a price cut and nothing else.  Not games, not bundles, not features, just a price cut, because that's what the 3DS did.  Ugh.

I don't know why you think a Price Cut won't help, but whatever.

It needs to happen.


Where in my post did I say a price cut wouldn't help?



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Andrespetmonkey on 08 August 2012
NintendoPie said:
Kresnik said:


It's quite a sad precedent Nintendo seem to have set for future systems by slashing the price of the 3DS so early.  Now anything that doesn't take off within the first 6+ months needs a price cut and nothing else.  Not games, not bundles, not features, just a price cut, because that's what the 3DS did.  Ugh.

I don't know why you think a Price Cut won't help, but whatever.

It needs to happen.

Why does it "need" to happen? Did you not take in anything I wrote? Do you disagree with it?

On top of what I've already written about software, Sony seems to be just about breaking even on each unit, or taking a small loss, why take an even bigger loss on each one when there's clearly a lot of software coming down the line that has big selling potential (for the software itself, that makes money, and the system)? 



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NintendoPie on 08 August 2012
Kresnik said:


Where in my post did I say a price cut wouldn't help?

The whole of your post seemed to insist that bundles will do what Vita needs. They won't if the base price isn't small enough.

The price needs to be cut for people, a lot of people don't want to pay 250$ for a gaming console, and I don't blame them.



NintendoPie on 08 August 2012
pezus said:
NintendoPie said:
Kresnik said:


Where in my post did I say a price cut wouldn't help?

The whole of your post seemed to insist that bundles will do what Vita needs. They won't if the base price isn't small enough.

The price needs to be cut for people, a lot of people don't want to pay 250$ for a gaming console, and I don't blame them.

They paid $250 for the Wii, didn't they? What did Nintendo do? Release appealing games. That is what Sony need to do first. Cutting the price with no big games (almost) to speak of isn't going to do enough to be financially viable. People are not going to buy Vita just because it is cheap, they will buy it if it has games they want. That is what CoD and AC will help with.

I thought we all knew that Home Consoles were more expensive than Handhelds? 250 is "Cheap" for a Home Console while it's not for a HH.



NintendoPie on 08 August 2012
pezus said:

250 is cheap for anything, Pie. I wish I could pay 250 for it and end it there. You are lucky! Embrace it, buy it, and put your faith to the test.

What are you talking about?