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Forums - Sony Discussion - Sony Q1 numbers: 24.6 Billion yen loss (314 million dollars), cuts yearly forcasts

Train wreck on 02 August 2012
kowenicki said:
Train wreck said:
kowenicki said:

found this in the accounts: FY forecast:

Game

Primarily due to the lowering of the annual unit sales forecast for portable hardware, sales are expected to be
significantly lower than the May forecast. Due to the above-mentioned decrease in sales and the impact of
unfavorable exchange rates, operating income is expected to be significantly below the May forecast. Sales are
expected to be essentially flat and operating income is expected to decrease significantly year-on-year.

 

So they expect no change ion revenue in come but a massive drop in any operaring income and as a result any potential profits.

Makes sense with the upcoming ps3 and vita price drops, the volume sold will be higher but since they are selling for less, less operating income.

Higher? how so? 

They will be lower.  Read the first sentence.  They will selling less at a lower net revenue per item.

Well if Sony dropped the price from $249 to say $169 for a ps3 for example.

@ $249 they sold 1 million ps3's, thats 249 million dollars in sales

@ $169 they sold 1.5 million ps3's, thast 250 million dollars in sales

Sales are essentially flat, the volume of ps3 sold is higher at its lower price (1.5m v 1m) but operating income is less ince they are selling at a lower price (249 vs 169)



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Kresnik on 02 August 2012

Oh Sony. You don't give me much to cheer about do you!

Maybe next quarter eh.



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zumnupy10 on 02 August 2012
Euphoria14 said:
TWRoO said:
zumnupy10 said:

US$ 24 billion dollar loss ? is that right ?

I'm pretty sure the $45m loss was caused by PSV sales.

I find hard to believe that PS3 is still being sold at loss.

Where does it say that?


He is assuming the total loss is $24b US dollars, so he probably thinks PS3 is still being sold at a big time loss.

 

Misleading titles can have that effect.

The person who wrote the title of this article changed it

It was US$24billion before.

I was just asking if the title was right.



TWRoO on 02 August 2012
zumnupy10 said:
Euphoria14 said:
TWRoO said:
zumnupy10 said:

US$ 24 billion dollar loss ? is that right ?

I'm pretty sure the $45m loss was caused by PSV sales.

I find hard to believe that PS3 is still being sold at loss.

Where does it say that

He is assuming the total loss is $24b US dollars, so he probably thinks PS3 is still being sold at a big time loss.

Misleading titles can have that effect.

The person who wrote the title of this article changed it

It was US$24billion before.

I was just asking if the title was right.

I was asking where the "PS3 still being sold at loss" came from, as that can't be concluded simply from the $45 million Game division loss (which is mostly likely caused by Vita being sold at a loss)



Train wreck on 02 August 2012
kowenicki said:
Train wreck said:
kowenicki said:
Train wreck said:
kowenicki said:

found this in the accounts: FY forecast:

Game

Primarily due to the lowering of the annual unit sales forecast for portable hardware, sales are expected to be
significantly lower than the May forecast. Due to the above-mentioned decrease in sales and the impact of
unfavorable exchange rates, operating income is expected to be significantly below the May forecast. Sales are
expected to be essentially flat and operating income is expected to decrease significantly year-on-year.

 

So they expect no change ion revenue in come but a massive drop in any operaring income and as a result any potential profits.

Makes sense with the upcoming ps3 and vita price drops, the volume sold will be higher but since they are selling for less, less operating income.

Higher? how so? 

They will be lower.  Read the first sentence.  They will selling less at a lower net revenue per item.

Well if Sony dropped the price from $249 to say $169 for a ps3 for example.

@ $249 they sold 1 million ps3's, thats 249 million dollars in sales

@ $169 they sold 1.5 million ps3's, thast 250 million dollars in sales

Sales are essentially flat, the volume of ps3 sold is higher at its lower price (1.5m v 1m) but operating income is less ince they are selling at a lower price (249 vs 169)


I know that.  But sony EXPECT to sell less PS3's YOY. 

from 18.0 to 16.0? those can be all from PS2, also their forcast can change (for positive or negative), they reduced the psp/v number by 4 million in just a months time.  9 months is a large amount of time to have something set in stone.



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ethomaz on 02 August 2012

Epic news...

 2.8M for PS3 + PS2. So at least 2.0m for PS3?

1.4M for Vita + PSP. 1M for Vita and 400k for PSP?



BenVTrigger on 02 August 2012

As a Vita and PS3 owner this is really starting to get worrisome.

Sony has to get profitable and it needs to happen fast or Im worried Vita is going to be in big triuble with software support. PS3 will still be fine in terms of support due to its install base but it makes one wonder if Sony will be able to be cutting edge at all next gen in terms of hardware. I dont think they have the money to afford to make a high end console after whats happened with bothe the PS3 and Vita launches



Train wreck on 02 August 2012
kowenicki said:
Train wreck said:
kowenicki said:
Train wreck said:
kowenicki said:
Train wreck said:
kowenicki said:

found this in the accounts: FY forecast:

Game

Primarily due to the lowering of the annual unit sales forecast for portable hardware, sales are expected to be
significantly lower than the May forecast. Due to the above-mentioned decrease in sales and the impact of
unfavorable exchange rates, operating income is expected to be significantly below the May forecast. Sales are
expected to be essentially flat and operating income is expected to decrease significantly year-on-year.

 

So they expect no change ion revenue in come but a massive drop in any operaring income and as a result any potential profits.

Makes sense with the upcoming ps3 and vita price drops, the volume sold will be higher but since they are selling for less, less operating income.

Higher? how so? 

They will be lower.  Read the first sentence.  They will selling less at a lower net revenue per item.

Well if Sony dropped the price from $249 to say $169 for a ps3 for example.

@ $249 they sold 1 million ps3's, thats 249 million dollars in sales

@ $169 they sold 1.5 million ps3's, thast 250 million dollars in sales

Sales are essentially flat, the volume of ps3 sold is higher at its lower price (1.5m v 1m) but operating income is less ince they are selling at a lower price (249 vs 169)


I know that.  But sony EXPECT to sell less PS3's YOY. 

from 18.0 to 16.0? those can be all from PS2, also their forcast can change (for positive or negative), they reduced the psp/v number by 4 million in just a months time.  9 months is a large amount of time to have something set in stone.

They shipped 14m PS3's last year.  They will ship less and I am pretty sure Sony expect less than 14m from the 16m, given that ps2 will already have shipped 1m or so this quarter alone. 

I guess thats were we differ, the ps2 did not push 1 mil (for an april to june quarter no way), ill give it 650k at best 



ethomaz on 02 August 2012
kowenicki said:
ethomaz said:

Epic news...

 2.8M for PS3 + PS2. So at least 2.0m for PS3?

1.4M for Vita + PSP. 1M for Vita and 400k for PSP?


thats epic?

its ok at best.  ps3 is ok, vita is abysmal.

financial news is horrible.

 

PS3+PS2 shipment is EPIC!

I don't talk about financial news because there are more than PlayStation in Sony.



zumnupy10 on 02 August 2012
TWRoO said:
zumnupy10 said:
Euphoria14 said:
TWRoO said:
zumnupy10 said:

US$ 24 billion dollar loss ? is that right ?

I'm pretty sure the $45m loss was caused by PSV sales.

I find hard to believe that PS3 is still being sold at loss.

Where does it say that

He is assuming the total loss is $24b US dollars, so he probably thinks PS3 is still being sold at a big time loss.

Misleading titles can have that effect.

The person who wrote the title of this article changed it

It was US$24billion before.

I was just asking if the title was right.

I was asking where the "PS3 still being sold at loss" came from, as that can't be concluded simply from the $45 million Game division loss (which is mostly likely caused by Vita being sold at a loss)

Understood now.

But I said, i don't believe PS3 was the cause of this loss.

And I agree with you.

This $45m has to be caused by PSV poor sales.

No way the PS3 is still being sold at loss.