Well, he did totally execute his plan and beat Batman.  Joker wanted to show that people were evil but he never got the chance.  Bane (and Talia) robbed Batman of all of his money, broke his body, took over Gotham City, showed that people were animals, imprisoned the entire police force, killed the mayor, stole Batman's tech, and had him raped in prison.  And (depending on who you ask)Bane may have killed Batman.

Bane died thanks to an assist from Catwoman (though Bane had an assist from Talia Al Ghul) but for all intents and purposes, Batman lost.  Even if Batman retired and is still alive, who knows how many people died when the bridges exploded, during the occupation of Gotham City, and from the fallout of a neutron bomb explosion.  And there's like 10,000 bad guys running around the city with no Batman to stop them.

For all intents and purposes, old Batman blew it.  

True, but don´t you think Bane worked out too? And Batman has not done anything for almost 8 years before. Of course Bane is insanely strong, I mean just look at his arms. And Bane broke Batmans back in the comics too, but I like Nolans version of Bane much more.

I am still not sure I like how Deckard Bane was interpreted in the film. The Joker was a better villain in the movies all round IMO.

In Batman Begins was not Scarecrow the main villain it was Ras Al´Ghul.

well it was all talias plan as far as i know and yes bane beats batman the first time because he was a wreck but the second time it was the other way around and talia actualy saved bane as you said.

and the plan was very well done but still they failed to destroy gotham and thats what its all about rigth ?

I fail to see a complete winner here but i still go not just with the bat but also with gordon and catwoman all of them saved the day

Did you miss the part where the Joker actor died?

no why do you ask?

Because you're talking about movies. He was in one movie. Not two, or three. One. Illiterate.

Next, Joker's death made his acting a triumph, but without it Bane is better in his movie as the main protaganist. He did far more damage, was more relateable, can actually standup to Batman (he is stronger.. fact), and by all means he was one scary ass mother-efer. Joker is just an insane guy who never really got anything his way. His only triumph was realized in Rises when Bane told the truth, so Jokers only victory goes to Bane.

I'm going to go with the Joker, he's just a scarier individual.

Bane is someone easier for Batman to "get". He's a physical force, something Batman understands. Bane just happened to get lucky that Batman had been out of the game for 8 years and was probably out of shape, because he got his ass whupped pretty soundly the second time they fought. And he's the standard League of Shadows crazy, Batman/Bruce has seen all that before and understands their MO.

The Joker ... all bets are off. Batman doesn't understand him because he's quite frankly completely insane. The Joker forces Batman to compromise his morals to beat him. You're talking about a character who quite possibly self-mutilated his own face. Even to characters like Rhas Al Ghul and Bane, they would consider the Joker to be nuts. The Joker is a character that wouldn't give a second thought to murdering a bus load of kids ... for Rhas or Bane or Talia, even if their idea of justice is horribly skewed, they still would think twice about that.

Even in the comic books, the Joker beats Robin to a bloody pulp with a crowbar and then kills him by blowing him up (Robin 2). He kidnaps Barbara Gordon after shooting her in the stomach, strips her naked and takes photographs to torture Jim Gordon with in the hopes of driving him insane. 

I just meant he was the better villan from the Nolan movies. Not that he was in more than one... Calling me Illiterate is way out of line BTW, it's just a bit of poor wording on my part.

Also I think you are far underestimating what the Joker actually did. He created 2 face destroying Gothem's (other) hero (who then basically destroyed Batman as an Icon by corrupting his image), killed the love of Bruce's life which judging from what we see in the start of TDKR basically destroyed his life for 8 years, and also did a lot of damage to the city by forcing the evacuation of all hopitals (causing many deaths for petiants that were in a critical condition and culdn't get care) and then blowing one up as it was being evacuated. The Joker is anarchy incarnate he counters Batman by being unpredictable, as Batman's greatest weapon is his ability to anticipate what people are going to do. And he is also a much more interesting character to watch. 

And I don't see how Bane reading out Gordon's letter that cleared Batman's name of Dent's murder in cold blood is in any way a win for the Joker, the dent act was already going to be repealed and Gordon replaced before Bane read the letter.

Bane on the other hand at the end of the day is a pawn, he is the muscle used to execute Talia's plan for revenge. He beats a out of practice and unfit Batman, and then got beaten by a reborn Batman before Talia stepped in. And while he blew up a lot of stuff his direct death toll isn't much higher than the Jokers when you think about it. He also sounds like Deckard Cain and had a cheap death.