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PDF said:
richardhutnik said:

The second part is an example of why I have issues, and what makes someone a fanboy.  A fanboy ends up having adoration for a given object, but that adoration has little to no impact on any other part of their life in a positive way.  It was given as one personal example, one of numbers I could of given.  

I think your second sentence may go to the root of the issue, particularly on the area of love: People are not perfect and because he loves Jesus doesn't mean he has to be.

Just because someone adores Jesus, that suddenly makes what they have as flaws ok?  Maybe that is what fanboys actually do think.  It might explain why they act that way.  They think they are ok, thankful Jesus isn't going to sent them to hell, and then they have to go around converting everyone, because some preacher put pressure on them to go "win souls", and they don't want to have the guilt of souls going to hell on them, or disappointing Jesus some day.

I don't think adoring Jesus is the key part of this, nor is it what the Bible goes into regarding what real love means, and loving Jesus.

 

I don't think I have ever met a true Christian that uses Jesus as an excuse to behave badly.  I know there are a lot of misguided ones who end up dong bad but that different from someone who would self consciously behave badly because they know Jesus loves them.

It seems more a problem with hypocrisy.  Preaching certain ideals with no follow through.  This plagues Christians as they often preach to be like Jesus, which to a believer is perfect.  So of course there is going to be hypocrisy when they don't live up to that standard.

You’re telling me the root cause for this one guy’s behavior is his Jesus fandom but I don't think that true.  The root cause for his behavior is being human, your anger at him is because of his fandom, but I think its miss guided anger at this one person.  Be angry at him for sucking, not for liking Jesus.  It is a personal issue though so, I don't have all the information.  Maybe his level of hypocrisy crosses the line, like him calling you out for stuff that he himself doesn't do.

 

I have tried to avoid going down the hypocrisy path, because I am not sure that fits.  There are a number of ways people fall short:

* The are ignorant of what standard they uphold or name.

* The practice fraud to score points with people, in order to gain advantages.  I consider this hypocrisy.

* They strive to achieve high standards and fall short.  This will look like hypocrisy, but genuinely isn't.

 

In the general my issue with fanboys, it is probably far more of the first, of a system that is built upon not really teaching what Jesus said, ignoring what was said systemically, and props up a system that is nothing more than hell avoidance.  People are sold it, and then run off with it, believing they have the answer.  Then, they end up doing a large degree of harm, and turn people off and don't see it.  They could do this so much, they people who are the shilling Jesus fanboys end up believing their being rejected is a sign of a work of Satan, and then they end up like the Westboro Baptist Church, and get all angry.

Because of this view, I am not about to go and place hypocrisy here.  I think also, a bunch of this is probably me having to come to grips with how much off things are and the prospects that it isn't going to be different.  So, you see sorting through personal issues on my part.



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TRAVIS!!! said:
Jumpin said:
TRAVIS!!! said:
there will be a time when noone will talk and think about god and jesus and religion and all that bullshit anymore.

all of this will dissapear some time, it's just a matter of when.
but it will take a very long time of course.

I would prefer a time where prejudice and intolerance, like yours, is extinguished in all of its manifestations.


religion = prejudice and intolerance

Yet here you are in this thread proving quite the opposite.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Matthew 7:21-23



richardhutnik said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
Ok seriously, making threads to piss people off just for points is getting old and stupid.
Thats all this garbage is. "Jesus Fanboys"...are you fucking serious?

Do you seriously think I do posts in order to just tick people off?   This post is in a general section, about issues I have, connected with other threads on here, where people have gone off and blasted Christianity, Christians and so on.  My post is one similar, but venting in a different area, looking at one would expect from the Christian religion, and what someone who is actually plugged in is.  It fits here, and has context.

I have no scoreboard at all here.  And who the heck am I going to support?  Maybe I couldn't of said "Fanboys".  Would you prefer i go with "those who are fans of Jesus and love him, but aren't really followers"?  

Go with this, if you prefer:

I consider myself a Christian and I wasn't even offended by this.  I think Bill Maher gets it right.



Slimebeast said:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Matthew 7:21-23

I love this scripture and all I can say is Amen!



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Shadowfest3 said:
richardhutnik said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
Ok seriously, making threads to piss people off just for points is getting old and stupid.
Thats all this garbage is. "Jesus Fanboys"...are you fucking serious?

Do you seriously think I do posts in order to just tick people off?   This post is in a general section, about issues I have, connected with other threads on here, where people have gone off and blasted Christianity, Christians and so on.  My post is one similar, but venting in a different area, looking at one would expect from the Christian religion, and what someone who is actually plugged in is.  It fits here, and has context.

I have no scoreboard at all here.  And who the heck am I going to support?  Maybe I couldn't of said "Fanboys".  Would you prefer i go with "those who are fans of Jesus and love him, but aren't really followers"?  

Go with this, if you prefer:

I consider myself a Christian and I wasn't even offended by this.  I think Bill Maher gets it right.

Since I saw it, it resonated with me.  I believe in the Eastern Orthodox Church, one of the errors/heresies they warn about is confusing national values and nationalism with Christian teaching.  It is easy for the values of a nation to creep in, people buy into it, and then think that the national values are Christian values.  I see a bunch of that around the American form of Christianity.  There is belief that America is destined by God for greatness, and good things out of America are seen as proof of Jesus being valid.  A bunch of junk gets picked up, and things Jesus teaches gets ignored.



Shadowfest3 said:
Slimebeast said:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Matthew 7:21-23

I love this scripture and all I can say is Amen!

And that, and the other verses around it (mainly before), end up being a wake up call for me.  It makes one think, when reading it, that one can end up seriously missing it.  And the missing it comes from one own's end of things.



Pretty much I have found that anyone that TELLS you how great a person they are is usually a con artists. Religious types, the more the talk, are usually the worst offenders - because they have the most to hide.

Red Flags are: "If I had ____ I would do this/give/loan it to you."

Plus, there is that whole section about the Bible not bragging/drawing attention to themselves.

A true Christian, meaning someone is selfless and loving, wouldn't need to tell you how great they are - they would show you.

Sorry, buddy, I hope you get your game(s) back.



 

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Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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deskpro2k3 said:


that gave me a good laugh. that was so corny,it was funny.



Only partly related, but...

Yesterday I saw a BBC documentary about Jesus that in the end suggests Jesus was actually something like a buddhist monk, that he was indeed crucified but did not actually die on the cross, and instead after getting better went to Afghanistan where he died around the age of 80.

It sounds weird at first, but in the end their story provides a rational explanation for certain things told in the bible and sounds quite plausible. Anyone seen it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YbUEZfJJaQ
(The buddhist monk theory begins at about the middle of the video)