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menx64 said:
Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
I like this article, BUT if Ninty doesnt do these back deals and there system doesnt get those games, then the cycle of tears will just continue. As funny as it is, it would be said. BUT if you really only care about Ninty games then that wouldnt bother you anyway. Everyone wins (except for the single console owners...oh well)

 I am a single console owner and I am fine like that. I bet 80% of the people who bought a wii (35% nintendo-fans/55% casual gamers) didnt care about the third party support at all. People on gaming boards complained about not getting some games (which is fine) but I bet the huge majority of the userbase didnt care a bit.

yup your right. 


actually he is not. there is an aditional 10% people he accidently absorbed by his numbers 80% != 35% + 55% = 90%.

Also to say that all nintendo fans didn't care is wrong too. I cared. I wanted GTA on Wii as an example. Why you ask? because the fact is I wanted to experiece GTA and those other gameds missed with the wii remote. Godfather port (the poor cousin of GTA) was actually well exectued with Wii Remote. ANother example is Resident Evil 5, it would have been fantastic if they implemented RE4 controls. Metal Gear SOlid 4 would have been nice withh wii remote.

COD is a good exam where a game wasn't as graphically well done and had less enemies on screen but yet the controls made the game fun. It felt so natural over dual analoges. But at the end of the day, COD games were somewhat lazy made (ie could have pushed gfx a bit better if wanted to), but still much better than most crap which just had slapped on waggle.

The same thing will go for WiiU. If the tablet is genuienly something that adds to the immersion of gaming, I would want to experience some of those 3rd party games with the tablet to see what it could do.

At the end of the day, Nintendo needs to work hard to get these big franchises that cater for the adult western market. Or start creating new AAA IPs that will cater to the adult western market (i.e a FPS, Racing Sim).

 

 

 


35+55 = 80%??? God, I feel like an idiot now...

 Anyways, I do agree that if nintendo wants to get more western gamers on board, they should focus on getting some of those games. GTA & COD probably the most important ones on that matter. However my point was that the mayority of the userbase really didnt care about the call of duties, Assassins creed, or bioshock games... 


agree with you, but those people are also the ones that did not see the potential of the Wii Remote apart from shacking their booty around in Just Dance (if you ever seen the Just Dance, it is so unresponsive yet people still have fun, and guess what the latest controls are as unresponsive because just a copy and paste since it keeps selling), Fitness games and wii Sports.

Put it this way, If Wii had a regular controller, I would not have missed those core games I mentioned on Wii so much. Especially when the few games I mentioned worked (two of which had added wii remote controls to ports) great and would have worked great for similar games (if controls built from ground up and not tacky).



 

 

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I agree at some points,Nintendo should be nintendo,don't try to be sony or microsoft.
But still,3rd party supports are needed to grow the user base,the hardest question that will determine the success of wiiU is"How can nintendo get 3rd partys onboard?"



Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
I like this article, BUT if Ninty doesnt do these back deals and there system doesnt get those games, then the cycle of tears will just continue. As funny as it is, it would be said. BUT if you really only care about Ninty games then that wouldnt bother you anyway. Everyone wins (except for the single console owners...oh well)

 I am a single console owner and I am fine like that. I bet 80% of the people who bought a wii (35% nintendo-fans/55% casual gamers) didnt care about the third party support at all. People on gaming boards complained about not getting some games (which is fine) but I bet the huge majority of the userbase didnt care a bit.

yup your right. 


actually he is not. there is an aditional 10% people he accidently absorbed by his numbers 80% != 35% + 55% = 90%.

Also to say that all nintendo fans didn't care is wrong too. I cared. I wanted GTA on Wii as an example. Why you ask? because the fact is I wanted to experiece GTA and those other gameds missed with the wii remote. Godfather port (the poor cousin of GTA) was actually well exectued with Wii Remote. ANother example is Resident Evil 5, it would have been fantastic if they implemented RE4 controls. Metal Gear SOlid 4 would have been nice withh wii remote.

COD is a good exam where a game wasn't as graphically well done and had less enemies on screen but yet the controls made the game fun. It felt so natural over dual analoges. But at the end of the day, COD games were somewhat lazy made (ie could have pushed gfx a bit better if wanted to), but still much better than most crap which just had slapped on waggle.

The same thing will go for WiiU. If the tablet is genuienly something that adds to the immersion of gaming, I would want to experience some of those 3rd party games with the tablet to see what it could do.

At the end of the day, Nintendo needs to work hard to get these big franchises that cater for the adult western market. Or start creating new AAA IPs that will cater to the adult western market (i.e a FPS, Racing Sim).

 

 

 


GTA 4 would not run on WIi, fact. AN orginal GTA?? Different story. Same with RE5, at least not without sacrifing some things.

I see where your coming from, but you're pretty much in the minority, and majority kinda rules



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oniyide said:
Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
I like this article, BUT if Ninty doesnt do these back deals and there system doesnt get those games, then the cycle of tears will just continue. As funny as it is, it would be said. BUT if you really only care about Ninty games then that wouldnt bother you anyway. Everyone wins (except for the single console owners...oh well)

 I am a single console owner and I am fine like that. I bet 80% of the people who bought a wii (35% nintendo-fans/55% casual gamers) didnt care about the third party support at all. People on gaming boards complained about not getting some games (which is fine) but I bet the huge majority of the userbase didnt care a bit.

yup your right. 


actually he is not. there is an aditional 10% people he accidently absorbed by his numbers 80% != 35% + 55% = 90%.

Also to say that all nintendo fans didn't care is wrong too. I cared. I wanted GTA on Wii as an example. Why you ask? because the fact is I wanted to experiece GTA and those other gameds missed with the wii remote. Godfather port (the poor cousin of GTA) was actually well exectued with Wii Remote. ANother example is Resident Evil 5, it would have been fantastic if they implemented RE4 controls. Metal Gear SOlid 4 would have been nice withh wii remote.

COD is a good exam where a game wasn't as graphically well done and had less enemies on screen but yet the controls made the game fun. It felt so natural over dual analoges. But at the end of the day, COD games were somewhat lazy made (ie could have pushed gfx a bit better if wanted to), but still much better than most crap which just had slapped on waggle.

The same thing will go for WiiU. If the tablet is genuienly something that adds to the immersion of gaming, I would want to experience some of those 3rd party games with the tablet to see what it could do.

At the end of the day, Nintendo needs to work hard to get these big franchises that cater for the adult western market. Or start creating new AAA IPs that will cater to the adult western market (i.e a FPS, Racing Sim).

 

 

 


GTA 4 would not run on WIi, fact. AN orginal GTA?? Different story. Same with RE5, at least not without sacrifing some things.

I see where your coming from, but you're pretty much in the minority, and majority kinda rules

I agree that they wouldn't run  as they where made for the HD twins. It was more an example of types of games that could hae worked well if built from ground up with the controls.

I also agree that I am in the minority. This is where I think Nintendo failed. They should have convinced (marketed whatever you want to call it) the users that there is a benefit to the Wii Remote over dual analogs, other then meaningless fun.

And as you well know, humans are a creature of comfort. Once they get comfortable they hate change. Those who are willing to try something would have found that the Wii Remote (when well executed) actually works quite well. 

Look at a work environment, when there is a change in technology (or software)everyone hates it, but if the company supports people through the process and outlines the benefits of the changes people are willing to follow their company leaders and embrace change rather then become disconnected observers and hope they never have to use the new product. Example at my work is sharepoint. They implmented it TOTALLY wrong nad people jsut don't use it. I have worked in other companies where it is implemented well and it becomes your breead and butter for doucment archiving and sharing.



 

 

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Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
I like this article, BUT if Ninty doesnt do these back deals and there system doesnt get those games, then the cycle of tears will just continue. As funny as it is, it would be said. BUT if you really only care about Ninty games then that wouldnt bother you anyway. Everyone wins (except for the single console owners...oh well)

 I am a single console owner and I am fine like that. I bet 80% of the people who bought a wii (35% nintendo-fans/55% casual gamers) didnt care about the third party support at all. People on gaming boards complained about not getting some games (which is fine) but I bet the huge majority of the userbase didnt care a bit.

yup your right. 


actually he is not. there is an aditional 10% people he accidently absorbed by his numbers 80% != 35% + 55% = 90%.

Also to say that all nintendo fans didn't care is wrong too. I cared. I wanted GTA on Wii as an example. Why you ask? because the fact is I wanted to experiece GTA and those other gameds missed with the wii remote. Godfather port (the poor cousin of GTA) was actually well exectued with Wii Remote. ANother example is Resident Evil 5, it would have been fantastic if they implemented RE4 controls. Metal Gear SOlid 4 would have been nice withh wii remote.

COD is a good exam where a game wasn't as graphically well done and had less enemies on screen but yet the controls made the game fun. It felt so natural over dual analoges. But at the end of the day, COD games were somewhat lazy made (ie could have pushed gfx a bit better if wanted to), but still much better than most crap which just had slapped on waggle.

The same thing will go for WiiU. If the tablet is genuienly something that adds to the immersion of gaming, I would want to experience some of those 3rd party games with the tablet to see what it could do.

At the end of the day, Nintendo needs to work hard to get these big franchises that cater for the adult western market. Or start creating new AAA IPs that will cater to the adult western market (i.e a FPS, Racing Sim).

 

 

 


GTA 4 would not run on WIi, fact. AN orginal GTA?? Different story. Same with RE5, at least not without sacrifing some things.

I see where your coming from, but you're pretty much in the minority, and majority kinda rules

1.I agree that they wouldn't run  as they where made for the HD twins. It was more an example of types of games that could hae worked well if built from ground up with the controls.

2.I also agree that I am in the minority. This is where I think Nintendo failed. They should have convinced (marketed whatever you want to call it) the users that there is a benefit to the Wii Remote over dual analogs, other then meaningless fun.

3. And as you well know, humans are a creature of comfort. Once they get comfortable they hate change. Those who are willing to try something would have found that the Wii Remote (when well executed) actually works quite well. 

4 Look at a work environment, when there is a change in technology (or software)everyone hates it, but if the company supports people through the process and outlines the benefits of the changes people are willing to follow their company leaders and embrace change rather then become disconnected observers and hope they never have to use the new product. Example at my work is sharepoint. They implmented it TOTALLY wrong nad people jsut don't use it. I have worked in other companies where it is implemented well and it becomes your breead and butter for doucment archiving and sharing.

1. Should said that from the beginning i agree with you, it just baffles when i see people to this day say why there was no GTA4 on Wii. Only an idiot would believe that game could run on Wii. IMHO, it doesnt bother me or most other people because they have another gaming machine with a lot of those types of games, yes they are not motion controlled, but they would still have advantages over the Wii version anyway, which i will get to.

2. THe problem with this is, what should they have made?? Lets be real here there are very few genres that would have really benefitted from the Wiimote and Ninty doesnt make those. They dont make FPSs, (the closest to that was MP3 and that didnt exactly set the world on fire), they dont make 3rd person shooters...thats really it. Some sports games benefit like Tennis and Gold but surprise, Ninty did make those for some strange reason. And they were too busy marketing the meaningless fun.

3. Thats just it though it wasnt well executed at all, even to this day IMHO. Those first batch of Wii games that didnt involve dancing or fitness, were terrible. Red Steel was terrible, that Far Cry port was terrible. Yes i know your gonna throw RE4 and Godfather and even Bully(i like that game), but the problem is old ports of games that most people have played already are not going to convince anyone. What the Wii needed was a lot less cash in ports and alot more ORIGINAL games (they could have been in familiar franchises) that didnt suck. Which brings me to my point I was alluding to. people dont care about the controls, if the game sucks. Thats whay happened with the WIi a good chunk of those games (FPS mostly) sucked. Conduit was mediocore as hell, despite the good controls. GE complete opposite, i love that game because it is a good game, period. Eurocom wasnt worried about nailing the controls, trust me (thank god for custom cause the default is bad) and what happened, one game sold well the other flopped guess which one?  People care about features and performance, if they didnt the WIi versions of COD would be the best selling ones. 

4. Again it wasnt implemented well, the fact that we even needed a motion+ seals it for me. THere simply wasnt not benefit for alot of genres when it came to wiimote. 



I'm not gonna quote as it is getting big haha,

Totally agree with RE4 and Godfather not going to convince anyone as they were ports. It was just nice to see what could be done when executed well (even though they were ports haha). What is sad is that these two games remain as some o fthe best on the platform (but certainly not hardware sellers).

Basically these two games initially is what left me craving for more in these two types on genres, but they never come. Only onrails RE games (pointless).

The only onrails that I will let slide is House of the Dead over kill. Mainly because it was designed to be just for that purpose. a popcorn game with cheesy one liners haha.

Agree about conduit being dull, another well executed controls game. COD i did not mind as controls were good, but lets face it, I enjoyed COD more on PS3 because of the environment. That is what the whole game was designed around an immersive environement to make you feel like you are in a war zone.

The evidence sure was there that the Wii had great potential for what it offered but as we both agree poorly executed for most part.




 

 

Good article as long as the 3rd party titles they already have actually sell good then other 3rd party publishers will jump on board also. If the system is profitable overall I'm sure that Nintendo will throw some money at third party developers to get major titles.



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Third-party exclusives are immensely rare at this point. Things are too competitive for a company to do an exclusive, unless someone moneyhats them. Moneyhatting is insane now. Now, a company can hire a company to develop and IP for them, and treat a third-party as a second party. About all three of the console makers are doing that now. With Nintendo, their first-party is what drives their exclusives, and is a strength. What matters, in regards to third-party, is that Nintendo get the top titles on their console and have them compete well enough with the other consoles. They do need the like of Black Ops 2. They lost this with the Wii, because the Wii was a different animal. With the WiiU, they do have a chance to get third party titles, but also have them possibly be best played on their own console with the second screen.