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Will you buy one if the RT is ~$500 and Pro is ~$900

yes 115 52.27%
 
no 79 35.91%
 
see resultz 23 10.45%
 
Total:217

Its time Apple has some rude awakening



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superchunk said:
famousringo said:

A 10.6" screen at 16:9 aspect ratio is only 5% larger than a 9.7" screen at 4:3, so not really that much larger in those dimensions. The thickness and weight of the device are more of a concern. The RT version is quite comparable to the new iPad, but the Pro version is almost 50% thicker and 40% heavier than the new iPad. That's really quite a bit, and possibly enough to make that thing a lousy to use off a desk.

 

Not if you plan on using it as a laptop replacement with better mobility and functions as a tablet too.


Here's the thing, and I freely admit I'm speculating based on what I see:

Ultrabook - Good UX on desk

- Good UX on lap

- Terrible UX everywhere else

Surface Pro - Good UX on desk

- Mediocre UX everywhere else

All else being equal, are people really willing to trade a good lap UX for slightly less crappy UX in other places? I think the Surface Pro will be roughly as popular as all the x86-based tablets that came before it. There is a niche market there, but it doesn't seem to have ever amounted to more than 1 million units a year.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
endimion said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
endimion said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
superchunk said:
Pjams said:

As a gamer, I still have no idea why I would want this over any if it's competitors, or why would I want it over a PSV, am I missing something?

Why is this a big deal, it's just a tablet right? That's serious question, I have not formed an opinion.

 

Edit: "it's also vital to note that the WinRT variant won't ship with a 1080p panel, but a paltry 1366 x 768" - engadget

Is your PC literally only used for "core" (my emphasis) gaming? As such, then no portable device is probably justified to you as they don't do that.. yet.

As a general purpose laptop/tablet this is perfect. Especially with its obvious eventual massive integration with a desktop PC and for those with Xbox.

Does it take in CD's and DVD's?

for what purpose....??? i haven't used a cd or a dvd beside xbox video games in a decade.... 


You know for CD based programs, etc?

every pc game or piece of software are available digitally.... sometime even for cheaper.... I mean cd and dvd are terrible storage solution.... drives take room battery power and produce heat.... for new ultra portable device you are better off to have SD cards or USB storage solution... it makes more sens.... cd and dvd are the 21st century floppy disk...  by 2020 the only place you'll find one is on desktops and mostly because companies will need for old cd or dvd they still have....

but if people really want one you can find cd dvd rw combo external for 20 bucks or so.... so really a non issue here.... i almost bought one the other day thought about it for 10 min and realized i have no disc to put in (beside the couple dvds i never watch anymore) instead i'm gonna get that http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=740

i seriously wonder why people keep buying productivity software on dvd or cd when you can have all of them on a single storage device.... do people really love the office or creative suite box art that much??? 


The same reason people would rather buy disc based games. True ownership.

?? i have true ownership.... i have the iso and the licence number/code of all my productivity software.... that's why i was asking.... i see the use for other stuff you don't actually get on your hdd... but i can reinstall everything offline without a cd.... and even if you buy a soft in cd only you are better off putting an iso on a hdd for safety... that's why i asked for what purpose... cd dvd is a poor way to save anything...

plus on 32 or 64gb arm tablet and even on 128gb pc.... you are probably not gonna install a gazillion soft... just because of the space limitation... so once again putting a drive in there is just a waste of space energy and money... i doubt many people will use them as main computer... so once again even with cd or dvd only you are better off with a private cloud on witch you drop your iso's most router can get a networked hdd now... the one i'm gonna get is remotly accessible... so i could even deploy software i copied on there on other device without being in the LAN...

don't get me wrong i see your point... but on such device not really...



Well then, a tablet that actually doesn't seem like a complete waste of money.



Food for thought: Shove an apple in your brain

famousringo said:
superchunk said:
famousringo said:

A 10.6" screen at 16:9 aspect ratio is only 5% larger than a 9.7" screen at 4:3, so not really that much larger in those dimensions. The thickness and weight of the device are more of a concern. The RT version is quite comparable to the new iPad, but the Pro version is almost 50% thicker and 40% heavier than the new iPad. That's really quite a bit, and possibly enough to make that thing a lousy to use off a desk.

 

Not if you plan on using it as a laptop replacement with better mobility and functions as a tablet too.


Here's the thing, and I freely admit I'm speculating based on what I see:

Ultrabook - Good UX on desk

- Good UX on lap

- Terrible UX everywhere else

Surface Pro - Good UX on desk

- Mediocre UX everywhere else

All else being equal, are people really willing to trade a good lap UX for slightly less crappy UX in other places? I think the Surface Pro will be roughly as popular as all the x86-based tablets that came before it. There is a niche market there, but it doesn't seem to have ever amounted to more than 1 million units a year.

got a samsung series 7 slate... it's 1.9lbs i believe.... i use it with one hand holding and one typing all the time (like right now)... i run out of battery before it becomes an issue... and the biggest issue on pc tablets not selling is because win 7 is not touch friendly compare to arm on android or ios... and buying a pc tablet with android defeats the purpose productivity wise... if win 8 delivers and gets some buzz accross business and general customers i have no doubt those tablets would take off



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Microsoft outsource Surface tablets to Pegatron; expected prices above US$599
Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Wednesday 20 June 2012]

Sources from notebook players have revealed that Microsoft's 10.6-inch Surface tablet PCs will be outsourced to Pegatron Technology for assembly; however, there is still not a firm estimate for order volumes.

The sources also estimated the end-market price of the Windows 8 Pro-based Surface tablet PC with Ivy Bridge processor to be at least above US$799, while the Windows RT-based model, featuring Nvidia's Tegra 3, will be priced above US$599.

The sources pointed out that the industrial design of Microsoft's Surface tablet PCs should attract consumers in the enterprise market, but their high prices are expected to become the biggest obstacle in the market.

The sources also pointed out that the Surface tablet PCs have successfully attracted the attention of consumers, but the strategy also means that Microsoft will directly compete against its downstream partners in the Windows-based tablet PC market. Since Microsoft is only expected to receive limited profits from its own-brand tablet PC products, while greatly offending its clients, the strategy that Microsoft has taken is rather risky.


http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120619PD210.html

Microsoft is going to have a rough time of it if they release the product for one nickel more than the base-level iPad.

It's $499 or bust, Microsoft. Which leads me to question their decision of putting 32GB of storage in the base model...




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Thank God somebody saw the obvious!! I've always wanted a tablet with a keyboard. If this is not overpriced, I'm buying one!!



Stadelhuber said:

Microsoft outsource Surface tablets to Pegatron; expected prices above US$599
Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Wednesday 20 June 2012]

Sources from notebook players have revealed that Microsoft's 10.6-inch Surface tablet PCs will be outsourced to Pegatron Technology for assembly; however, there is still not a firm estimate for order volumes.

The sources also estimated the end-market price of the Windows 8 Pro-based Surface tablet PC with Ivy Bridge processor to be at least above US$799, while the Windows RT-based model, featuring Nvidia's Tegra 3, will be priced above US$599.

The sources pointed out that the industrial design of Microsoft's Surface tablet PCs should attract consumers in the enterprise market, but their high prices are expected to become the biggest obstacle in the market.

The sources also pointed out that the Surface tablet PCs have successfully attracted the attention of consumers, but the strategy also means that Microsoft will directly compete against its downstream partners in the Windows-based tablet PC market. Since Microsoft is only expected to receive limited profits from its own-brand tablet PC products, while greatly offending its clients, the strategy that Microsoft has taken is rather risky.


http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120619PD210.html

799 for the pro is anything but high priced especially for the corporate world

on the last beat it could be true.... but looking at how windows tablet don't sell right now... if the surface work it might actually helped their partner... by developing the market they can create huge opportunity, either with some pricing their tablet lower through economy of scale of their own hardware production.... or more powerful device....

i just read the article on gizmodo about windows phone 8 and it has built in support for up to 64 cores.... so windows 8 pc should be future proof and help partners come out with beasty tablets or ultrabook tablets like the dual screen asus taihi or something like that for the long run... 



Ok, the RT tablet HAS to be at most $500 for the 16GB model. If it doesn't match iPad pricing, it wont sell.

The Pro model could be $800+ as its more of a laptop, but it has to be within the price of other i5 laptops really. Not much more.