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WiiU shouldve come out in

2006 116 35.69%
 
2012 149 45.85%
 
show me the goddamn results 60 18.46%
 
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PullusPardus said:

How is that my understanding is flawed? , I am talking about the PR statements, and twists, like how for example reggie saying "Wii is the definitive console for family with breakthrough innovation and waggling blah blah blah" or tretton saying "the most poweful console POWERED by the amazzzzinnggg power of the vluray and cell blah blah blah"

and most recently miyamoto making obvious excuses of why Pikmin doesn't support online "because you can't process too many things at the same time while being online" compeletly ignoring MMOs and other Online games like StarCraft, he couldn't say "because it was at first a Wii game but we just ported it over and didn't make an effort on the online part" , of course he couldn't say that, because he works at nintendo, thats what "PR Bullshit" means, Yoshida doesn't do this, and Iwata too, its just the damn Marketing guys (its their job after all) ALA Dom , Tretton and Reggie.

I don't disagree with the "PR Bullshit" at Nintendo I regularly say so myself. I was just taken aback by the fact that you so agreed with Yoshida that you didn't notice him really failing at using the word generation.

You can't have two gens at once, it doesn't work like that. Check the history of Video Games on wikipedia, there is no 6.5.

That's what I meant by you making the same mistake. You blur their mistakes by outlining their truths. I like to call truth truth and BS BS.



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That's the biggest compliment one can give Nintendo. In sports they call it "in a league of their own".



Aielyn said:
MessiaH said:
Aielyn said:
MessiaH said:
What is wrong with that quote? It couldn't be any truer. It is actually a compliment. Every business wants a large niche to itself and Nintendo got it in spades!

"Large Niche" is a contradiction in terms. The term "niche" has a meaning, and it's inconsistent with that use of the word "large".

Actually, you are entirely wrong. A niche does not mean "of small proportion" to become an oxymoron with the word large. You can have a HUUUUGE niche if you want. You can have a niche that even reaches mass market potential. Enlightened? Now go use your new found definition to the word and find your niche in this world!

You're welcome.

You are wrong, since I never said that it means "of small proportion". I said that the term does not permit the use of the term "large". There's a very major difference between the two.

"Niche" as a noun has three meanings. The first one refers to a shallow recess, and is the original meaning. The second one means "a comfortable or suitable position in life" - not applicable, here, as markets are never comfortable. The third one refers to specialisation - literally, specialised but profitable. Note that "specialised" implies small, because if it was "mass market", then it wouldn't be so specialised.

A niche, in terms of market, would refer to things like "the niche market for kangaroo meat" or (less likely, since it's probably not profitable) "the niche market for puzzle games based on soccer". It might refer to "the niche market for ultra-gory titles that use only black, white, and red". But the key to these are that they're all relatively small markets, very specialised. And before you bother to make the absurd claim, the fact is that "casual games" are not specialised in any sense, and it isn't even a well-defined concept - "casual game" is mostly code for "games in genres that I don't like, but that sell well". In other words, the exact opposite of a niche.

But hey, why bother actually learning the real meaning of the word, when you've already decided you know it?

Alright, alright, let's stop this silliness of who knows what definition. So we clearly agree on the definition of niche. Since both you and I are skilled enough to google it. What we don't agree on is that a niche market can actually be or become large. Specializing in something can net you a large niche if there is enough demand for it. So back to gaming, Nintendo specialized in family gaming whereas the other 2 consoles didn't. They decided they wanted to serve that niche that was not being served before hand. The moms, dads, little sisters, grandma and grandpa. Their strategy worked, and their niche market ate their products up. So their niche became large. That is not to say they still maintain a niche market today. On the contrary, since you know the definition of niche as you so aptly copy/pasted above, then you surely know that niche markets can indeed become commodity markets based on competition, as well as supply and demand shifts. Once MS and Sony jumped in the family entertainment game, it no longer became a niche market and has turned into a commodity now. Very much like organic food, which used to be considered a niche market back in the day until all the big players saw the rapid rise in demand and jumped into the game. Once you have companies like Walmart (and other big players) selling organic food, the organic market is no longer niche and has transitioned to a commodity market. But prior to that transition, the niche market- oddly enough, became large...

I love full circles.



Dat poll! :O I'm fairly sure Turkish went to his local library and voted for the first option in the poll as many times as he could.

About the whole PR thing. It's just that, PR. No need for people to take it to heart. Some of you take this way too seriously. I personally have myself a laugh whenever companies say something controversial.



if it takes away sales from Ps3/Xbox360 is last gen, which is not the case

it will take sales/compete with Ps4/Xbox3 so it is next gen, they will share many games from 3rd parties and this is enough



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

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Sal.Paradise said:
I don't know why you guys are getting offended over this? We all know the Wii thrived largely by targeting a different market to the HD twins, it was a very different machine to them and had its own specialized market along with the smaller core contingent of Nintendo fans. The guy is just saying it like it is.


This. I'm apalled, I thought most of you guys would see it as a compliment. If Samsung or Microsoft said Apple has a market of her own none of you would accuse them of trolling, spinning etc. 



 

 

 

 

 

it's gen behind



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happydolphin said:
Sal.Paradise said:
I don't know why you guys are getting offended over this? We all know the Wii thrived largely by targeting a different market to the HD twins, it was a very different machine to them and had its own specialized market along with the smaller core contingent of Nintendo fans. The guy is just saying it like it is.

Sal, it's not that I disagree. I just disagree with the wording. But I thought I said as much :(

I wouldn't hold it against you, but there are some in here *cough chocoloco cough turkish* who constantly miss what some of us are trying to say. They're the ppl I'm annoyed at. And I called out the Sony reps on it, some people just can't take that.

Fair enough, I guess the wording is combative, but it's what I expect these days from a Sony rep. Don't let him get so under your skin



Well, if I was Nintendo I would take that as a compliment.