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happydolphin on 12 June 2012
badgenome said:
maxnyc said:

I actually like this theory. Microsoft might know the 360 would be hurt badly once people know that most 3rd party games will be available (and better) on wii U. Let's be honest, Microsoft doesn't have much original IP besides Halo, so once the 3rd party games are better elsewhere, the 360 sales will be hurt severely.

It's possible that Microsoft had some sort of exclusivity on showing COD at E3. I don't know why else Sony would have only shown a logo for Black Ops Vita, although after their Wonderbook presentation, I suspect they might just have been on crack. However, since we're being honest: there is no way in hell COD Wii U will be better than the Xbox version. If for no other reasons, then because the largest player base by far will always be on Xbox Live, and because you will have to pry timed exclusive DLC from Microsoft's cold, dead hands.

@being on crack. Lol

Bold is probably the best explanation for this. It still doesn't explain other important multiplats like TR, but at least it's one question answered.



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maxnyc on 12 June 2012
badgenome said:
maxnyc said:

I actually like this theory. Microsoft might know the 360 would be hurt badly once people know that most 3rd party games will be available (and better) on wii U. Let's be honest, Microsoft doesn't have much original IP besides Halo, so once the 3rd party games are better elsewhere, the 360 sales will be hurt severely.

It's possible that Microsoft had some sort of exclusivity on showing COD at E3. I don't know why else Sony would have only shown a logo for Black Ops Vita, although after their Wonderbook presentation, I suspect they might just have been on crack. However, since we're being honest: there is no way in hell COD Wii U will be better than the Xbox version. If for no other reasons, then because the largest player base by far will always be on Xbox Live, and because you will have to pry timed exclusive DLC from Microsoft's cold, dead hands.

I do appreciate you addressing the specific topic at hand, even if it was your 15th post in here, and even if you have no idea what your talking about mostly all the time & basically never add much to any discussion.



maxnyc on 12 June 2012
happydolphin said:
badgenome said:
maxnyc said:

I actually like this theory. Microsoft might know the 360 would be hurt badly once people know that most 3rd party games will be available (and better) on wii U. Let's be honest, Microsoft doesn't have much original IP besides Halo, so once the 3rd party games are better elsewhere, the 360 sales will be hurt severely.

It's possible that Microsoft had some sort of exclusivity on showing COD at E3. I don't know why else Sony would have only shown a logo for Black Ops Vita, although after their Wonderbook presentation, I suspect they might just have been on crack. However, since we're being honest: there is no way in hell COD Wii U will be better than the Xbox version. If for no other reasons, then because the largest player base by far will always be on Xbox Live, and because you will have to pry timed exclusive DLC from Microsoft's cold, dead hands.

@being on crack. Lol

Bold is probably the best explanation for this. It still doesn't explain other important multiplats like TR, but at least it's one question answered.

You 2 are both coming around to actually discuss the relevant topic at hand? Albeit not actually contributing anything new, but simply reposting what another person wrote and saying "see bold". Holy lord almighty i have seen the light. The 2012 prophecy is coming true, the messiah will return, in the form of 2 trolls called happydolphin & badgenome. I think the two of you should write a book about the video game world, and how everyone feels, especially in regards to the core gamer & nintendo. Also don't forget to mention that Nintendo  lost this last generation with 100 million wii's sold, and 150 million DS sold, don't forget to mention that one, k?



badgenome on 12 June 2012
happydolphin said:

@being on crack. Lol

Bold is probably the best explanation for this. It still doesn't explain other important multiplats like TR, but at least it's one question answered.

Well, Microsoft has made multiplatform games the backbone of their E3 presentation for years now. It's not like their first party is terribly large or productive, and most of the biggest things going are multiplats, so it's cheaper (and pretty smart) to try and make everyone associate this or that big game with their console.



badgenome on 12 June 2012
maxnyc said:

do appreciate you addressing the specific topic at hand, even if it was your 15th post in here, and even if you have no idea what your talking about mostly all the time & basically never add much to any discussion.

Coming from someone who thinks NINTENDO INVENTED EVERYTHING!!!!1, I'll take that as a compliment.



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maxnyc on 12 June 2012
badgenome said:
maxnyc said:

do appreciate you addressing the specific topic at hand, even if it was your 15th post in here, and even if you have no idea what your talking about mostly all the time & basically never add much to any discussion.

Coming from someone who thinks NINTENDO INVENTED EVERYTHING!!!!1, I'll take that as a compliment.


Coming from someone who thinks Nintendo never innovated anything but just copied others, i'll take that not as a compliment.



richardhutnik on 12 June 2012
maxnyc said:

It's kind of strange that there's a Nintendo Gamer article floating around about Black Ops 2 coming for Wii U in November, making it a launch window game. There was also some rumors that Madden will be a launch game as well. So my question to everyone is- why in the hell would Nintendo be holding this info back at their e3 conference? Controlling drone strikes or drawing up plays, with the wii U gamepad, that would have been prime footage for an e3 sizzle reel at least. Those are 2 franchises which could actually have a major impact on the wii u launch, so why hold back that info?

The reason i'm wondering is because Nintendo even had COD & Madden for the wii launch if i'm not mistaken; so what the hell changed with the wii U, why wouldn't Nintendo have these games lined up? There are 2 main possibilities i can think of- number 1; maybe Nintendo is holding their cards close for now, deciding that e3 doesn't really mean anything for 90% of the population (also not revealing too much to sony & micro until the last minute), and they will release more info & more titles as we approach the launch. Or number 2; Nintendo actually doesn't have these games lined up, or there are problems with development, which could mean that Nintendo just doesn't have their shit together for launch, or they may even have a major problem getting the online and/or tablet working appropriately with certain games. Can anyone think of anything else? or have any thoughts on this curious situation? Is Nintendo possibly holding back info, or am i just tripping?

Several reasons to explain:

* The universe does NOT center around E3.  Companies still are able to do business with or without E3.  Core gamers, and other folks, do watch E3, to get a pulse, but companies don't need E3 to do business.  If there are other reasons to not reveal things at E3, those override E3.  With the Internet bein what it is, and sufficient media about to cover things, companies can skip E3 for news.  PAX is another place companies can do things.  They can also call their own media events to get people to cover, and everyone covers, and this site reports.  Nintendo also used other events, besides the main media event around E3 to get more news out, including a second one just for 3DS.  They also took some time to have Iwata do even more on the WiiU going into E3. 

* Announcing titles coming out for it, that have release dates for it, ends up hinting when a system will be coming out.  Nintendo didn't announce price point either.  E3 was a second get familiar with the WiiU system, and not the main one to get all information out.  OBVIOUSLY Nintendo held back info, if they didn't announce price or release date for the WIiU.  If they do have another event planned, it makes sense to show the full release schedule when the price point is announced and have Activision and others come out then and show their games on the WiiU.

* E3 ended up, as stated before, more of an intro to the WiiU, to show its final shape, and ideas on what it can do.  It is the set up for the launch campaign, and a bit of a teaser.  The idea is to focus on the controller, and how it differentiates from Microsoft and Sony.  Then you will get more info when they decide to announce it.

Regarding the franchises, it matters far more Nintendo actually HAS them, than announces they have them.



happydolphin on 12 June 2012
maxnyc said:

Coming from someone who thinks Nintendo never innovated anything but just copied others, i'll take that not as a compliment.

You're not funny and not right. Did you break your crystal  ball Pachter?



maxnyc on 12 June 2012
richardhutnik said:
maxnyc said:

It's kind of strange that there's a Nintendo Gamer article floating around about Black Ops 2 coming for Wii U in November, making it a launch window game. There was also some rumors that Madden will be a launch game as well. So my question to everyone is- why in the hell would Nintendo be holding this info back at their e3 conference? Controlling drone strikes or drawing up plays, with the wii U gamepad, that would have been prime footage for an e3 sizzle reel at least. Those are 2 franchises which could actually have a major impact on the wii u launch, so why hold back that info?

The reason i'm wondering is because Nintendo even had COD & Madden for the wii launch if i'm not mistaken; so what the hell changed with the wii U, why wouldn't Nintendo have these games lined up? There are 2 main possibilities i can think of- number 1; maybe Nintendo is holding their cards close for now, deciding that e3 doesn't really mean anything for 90% of the population (also not revealing too much to sony & micro until the last minute), and they will release more info & more titles as we approach the launch. Or number 2; Nintendo actually doesn't have these games lined up, or there are problems with development, which could mean that Nintendo just doesn't have their shit together for launch, or they may even have a major problem getting the online and/or tablet working appropriately with certain games. Can anyone think of anything else? or have any thoughts on this curious situation? Is Nintendo possibly holding back info, or am i just tripping?

Several reasons to explain:

* The universe does NOT center around E3.  Companies still are able to do business with or without E3.  Core gamers, and other folks, do watch E3, to get a pulse, but companies don't need E3 to do business.  If there are other reasons to not reveal things at E3, those override E3.  With the Internet bein what it is, and sufficient media about to cover things, companies can skip E3 for news.  PAX is another place companies can do things.  They can also call their own media events to get people to cover, and everyone covers, and this site reports.  Nintendo also used other events, besides the main media event around E3 to get more news out, including a second one just for 3DS.  They also took some time to have Iwata do even more on the WiiU going into E3. 

* Announcing titles coming out for it, that have release dates for it, ends up hinting when a system will be coming out.  Nintendo didn't announce price point either.  E3 was a second get familiar with the WiiU system, and not the main one to get all information out.  OBVIOUSLY Nintendo held back info, if they didn't announce price or release date for the WIiU.  If they do have another event planned, it makes sense to show the full release schedule when the price point is announced and have Activision and others come out then and show their games on the WiiU.

* E3 ended up, as stated before, more of an intro to the WiiU, to show its final shape, and ideas on what it can do.  It is the set up for the launch campaign, and a bit of a teaser.  The idea is to focus on the controller, and how it differentiates from Microsoft and Sony.  Then you will get more info when they decide to announce it.

Regarding the franchises, it matters far more Nintendo actually HAS them, than announces they have them.

Your logic & argument make sense to me. I guess e3 has changed quite a bit over the years. It certainly was interesting that Nintendo didn't even hint at some key titles in their sizzle real, like just throwing a few names or short clips in there. It's a weird strategy decision, normally you think a company wants to get people really excited by telling them most things. I remember years ago Sony would play pre-rendered CG at e3, and pretend it was real gameplay footage. Or Nintendo would tell us titles that still may have been years away. Different world now i guess.



richardhutnik on 12 June 2012
maxnyc said:
gentii said:
Game Trailers editor-in-chief Shane Satterfield came under heavy criticism when he said before E3 that the Wii U launch line-up was “looking pretty damn good”. Satterfield later took to Twitter and stated that the Wii U game that sparked that comment was pulled from the show by Nintendo.

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Yes !! Nintendo is playing war strategy well

Very interesting. Nintendo definitely seems to be playing an unusual strategy with their announcements so far.

It would be in keeping with Iwata repeating the word "unique" several times at the pre-E3 announcement he did.