"art, deep plot, character development"
thats not what gaming is about dude, never was and (i hope) never will be
Also calling art to the dozens of clonic FPS, Wrpgs, beat em ups , shooters, racing sims...etc games that fill the HD consoles library is laughable
trying to mimic real life is not art
Zelda Skyward sword is art

remember the ps3 launch?

1 exclusive and 11 ports?

The wii u launch window has over 40 games

many exclusives

I didn't know Will Smith was a Wii U fan.

Firstly...nice job ignoring the other 90% of my quote and not addressing that :P

That is what gaming is about, or at least its now a part of gaming, along with simply having fun in general. You act like it isnt here yet, 360 and PS3 have been doing this for years. 

Only some games to me have achieved this.....do not label ALL 360/PS3 games as my criteria. That shows some ignorance on your part. Bioshock, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect, Halo....all games to me had art, deep plot, and character developement...while also being fun.

Zelda isnt art.....you know why? Because Nintendo went on record once saying gaming isnt art to them. How old are you? Because if your a teen yourself then this argument is pointless. 

No, see, the joke is that I live in Ontario, so... you know what, nevermind

My point was that "adult games" aren't really the realm of adults, so to speak. I played Hogan's Alley when I was very small, and Mortal Kombat and Turok when I was not much older. Ever since I was a kid, I haven't cared about "kiddy" games versus "adult" games, because the distinction doesn't exist for me. I liked Turok because it let me shoot dinosaurs. I liked Mario because it let me throw Bowser face-first into a giant spikey bomb (and, I'll be honest, because it let me wear a hat with wings on it and fly around IN 3D SPACE).

The mean average of Wii players is something like 30, which is higher than any other console. The DS is something like five years below that, I think? I guess I could look that up.

You cannot possibly claim that you play games for reasons that are opposed to escapism. That is preposterous. You have General butt-slapping Raam as your avatar. It doesn't fly.

I think the problem here is that your delineation between games for kids vs. games for adults is - well, it's unsupported! You haven't outlined what "mature" is, what "for adults" is, or anything like that. What makes Turok for adults, rather than for kids? What makes Mario for kids, but not for adults? These are questions you need to answer to support your point.

If that's so - why did PS2 get all the third-party games, XBOX and Gamecube were so much more powerful. Your reasoning is broken.

Do kids like movies like the Piano? Weren't kiddies more like going into movies like Conan? All the splosions and blood fountains and stuff is for kiddies. Yes, some adults are also going for this stuff, but most adults are more interested in a deep story than all the effects. But a deep story is the stuff a kid fast classify as 'boring'. So all the Battlefield and Resistance and COD is made this way, to cater to the taste of children or young people.

Also, adults usually don't care if things they do, movies they watch, games they play are considered too 'kiddy' . The only one are kids themselfes: "I don't play that, that is for 5-year-olds, and I'm six!!!"

By the way, Nintendo owns the most adult game-IP of all time, and this IP got good coverage at E3: Wii Fit. I'm pretty sure, the players of this are much older than the usual gamer.

I too played Doom, Mechwarrior, and Duke Nukem as a kid. Playing games not meant for you is done by everybody. But now that im older, I just want more out of my games (plot, character developement, and art aesthetics. 

The bold means that the Wii appeals to casuals, not adult core gamers. 

Gaming is a way of escape, but I dont play Nintendo games I played as a kid now out of some misplaced notion that I wanna feel young again. I am where I am in life, and I seek a more adult type of game. This doesnt just mean the violence of Gears or COD, but more rich experiences like Mass Effect, Bioshock that Nintendo 1st party just plainly doesnt deliver. 

Thing is, its all relative. There arent any concrete views....its all personal preference. For me, if a gaming franchise looks for kids and the main install base is children, I stay away. I am disapointed Nintendo can't make 1......just 1, M rated 1st party game. 

So now Nintendo gamers are using adult casuals for their arguments....cause I was clearly refering to adult core experiences. 

In regards to the bold.....now this is where it gets personal and I wanna be delicate here. Most people I know, including myself, mid twenties all with university degrees with careers, wouldn't watch My Little Pony on tv or watch "chick flicks" or "family movies" unless they were with their date/family. Just seems to me that when your an adult, you put those child memories behind you, remember the good memories, and move on to newer, more mature things. As for grown men who continue to watch tv, movies, and play video games meant mostly for children......I have no comment on that. Your lifestyle is your own business.  

Im done here. Everytime someone says Nintendo 1st party makes kiddy games, the flood gates open and in come the grown men who defend their tastes....even though we all know the main players of Mario, Zelda, etc. are children. 

I have no issue with your preferences. I will just like millions of other adult core gamers, keep playing PC/PS3/360. 

You talk about adult core gamer ... I see. I have one problem with it: They don't exist. I'm serious here. We adults have jobs, and after that much other things to do - not much time for games. If I have done all that is needed, it's usually past eleven, and I have to go to bed, to be fit for next workday. Sometimes I'm irrational and play half a hour or sometimes even an hour Pandora's Tower. But I shouldn't.

Casual games are fit better into the usual workday.

 Don't you know about the Bronies? But that aside, why are you so defensive and try to classify games, tv-shows, movies as more kiddie or more adult. As a adult I usually don't care. I want stuff that entertains me. And to your interesting, I'm personally entertained by twisted plots very much, the Song of Ice and Fire is the stuff I like. Others do like stuff like Friends. Which is more directed to adults? I don't care, because I know I'm no longer a child, I do not need to prove it to myself by only consuming stuff for adults and avoiding stuff targeted at children.

I personally don't like Mario (as I don't like Jump&Runs), but we all know Zelda is for children?? I have to oppose this, religion is about 'believing', not 'knowing'. So you wanted to say: Even though some of us (I) believe the main players of Zelda are children.

You have a issue with my preferences. Because it doesn't support your tale of adults don't like that kiddie stuff. Although it's new to me, that now Zelda is Kiddy stuff.