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Mr Khan on 09 June 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
lilbroex said:

 

From the specs it looks 2-3X more powerful.

 

Andrespetmonkey said:
Mr Khan said:
chapset said:
well after this E3 I didn't see anything that suggest the wii U is much more powerful then the ps360, not even the zelda game that they showed last year or a tech demo to show the power, is it possible that adding that second game pad taxed the wii U more then we realize??

It wouldn't be that. Adding the second gamepad slows framerate only, and even then we're not sure if that just means framerate on the pad or framerate altogether, since its speculated to be a bandwidth problem.

To make up for the hindered frame-rate maybe graphical restrictions were made?

That makes no logical since at least not to anyone who understand even the basics of game development. Framerate is not a hard coded attribute.

So you're saying that making a game less graphically impressive can't lead to a better frame rate? I never knew that, could you explain?

I just assumed so because turn x setting from high to med = better fps on my PC...

Yes, but they're not going to restrict capabilities console-wide for the sake of one feature. That would be like if Sony had permanently retarded the PS3's GPU when they introduced 3D games, just because 3D uses more resources.



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Andrespetmonkey on 09 June 2012
Slimebeast said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Slimebeast said:
I knew this. I knew that 3-4 times X360 that some people claimed would turn out to be wrong.

1.5 x X360 seems very legit.

(CPU is irrelevant for graphics. It's all about the GPU).

Practically irrelevant.

When people read news such as this they're thinking "oh, it's 1.0 x CPU and 1.5 x GPU of the X360, therefore the Wii U must be 1.25 x X360, right?", when in fact reality is that the Wii U has 1.5 x a X360.

The CPU of an X360 could support a GPU at least 4 times stronger than the X360's GPU with only a slight loss in framerate.

But wouldn't the GPU be held back by the CPU? 

Bottom line: CPU power has only a marginal effect on graphics, unless you put a really underpowered CPU in a system.


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Slimebeast on 09 June 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
Slimebeast said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Slimebeast said:
I knew this. I knew that 3-4 times X360 that some people claimed would turn out to be wrong.

1.5 x X360 seems very legit.

(CPU is irrelevant for graphics. It's all about the GPU).

Practically irrelevant.

When people read news such as this they're thinking "oh, it's 1.0 x CPU and 1.5 x GPU of the X360, therefore the Wii U must be 1.25 x X360, right?", when in fact reality is that the Wii U has 1.5 x a X360.

The CPU of an X360 could support a GPU at least 4 times stronger than the X360's GPU with only a slight loss in framerate.

But wouldn't the GPU be held back by the CPU? 

Bottom line: CPU power has only a marginal effect on graphics, unless you put a really underpowered CPU in a system.

Yes, it would be held back by the CPU a little bit. And that's the right way of seeing it - that the CPU only feeds the GPU, but the GPU does the real job. So yes it would be held back as it wouldn't be able to feed the GPU fast enough, but it would only be perhaps 20%-30 slower in doing it compared to a real fast CPU (so the system would still end up being 0.7 x 4 = 3 times the X360).



mike_intellivision on 09 June 2012

Funny thing is that eye test tells me something else.

http://www.consolewars.de/news/37973/grafikvergleich_assassins_creed_3/

Ps3 at top, WiiU at bottom. Bottom looks much better to me.

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lilbroex on 09 June 2012
NintendoPie said:
Mr Khan said:
chapset said:
well after this E3 I didn't see anything that suggest the wii U is much more powerful then the ps360, not even the zelda game that they showed last year or a tech demo to show the power, is it possible that adding that second game pad taxed the wii U more then we realize??

It wouldn't be that. Adding the second gamepad slows framerate only, and even then we're not sure if that just means framerate on the pad or framerate altogether, since its speculated to be a bandwidth problem.

It is odd that nothing so far looks to match the tech demos they showed last year, doubly odd because Nintendo tech demos are not known for overselling the hardware.

Pikmin 3 looks really good.

Honestly, it doesn't look much better than Pikmin 1 or 2 on the Gamecube graphically. The graphics are more than likely the exact same as they were when it was in developement on the Wii only now at HD resolutions. None of the current Wii U games are showing the graphical possibilities of the system. Hell, they are still using early dev kits.

 



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Andrespetmonkey on 09 June 2012
mike_intellivision said:
Funny thing is that eye test tells me something else.

http://www.consolewars.de/news/37973/grafikvergleich_assassins_creed_3/

Ps3 at top, WiiU at bottom. Bottom looks much better to me.

Mike from Morgantown

Probsbly because the picture on top is blurrier... and that's not the resolution in game lol, it's the picture that's blurrier

 

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oniyide on 09 June 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

But it doesn't look as good as the Zelda demo

It looks on-par with the best looking PS360 games, at most.

Well, Zelda and Pikmin do have a different style of Graphics. And if you say Pikmin 3 looks as good as the best PS3/360 game, that's a great achievement for a launch window title.

I mean technically, it's not on par with that Zelda demo. Artistically? I personally prefer Pikmin.

@bolded Not really, launch window games on next-gen generally look better than the best games of last-gen (on consoles). Out of the last 6 major home console releases only 1 had launch window games on par with it's predecessor, the Wii. And It should be even easier than the last 2 gens considering this gen has been a little longer. Still looks lovely though.

took the words right out of my mouth, cant see how someone could possibly think that this is a great thing for a system launching 6 years after the first HD one



Solid-Stark on 09 June 2012

Maybe this is only the results for their launch titles.



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SOLIDSNAKE08 on 09 June 2012

you can tell the way nintendo have been acting that something is going on. theres a lot they dont want to reveal. i think the wii u is the same as xbox 360 and ps3. maybe not even as powerful as xbox 360. im still gonna get one cause i have a feeling it aint gonna be that expensive.



UnknownFact on 09 June 2012

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