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Persistantthug said:


Sony's not going to IBM again....

IBM screwed Sony the last time and has been deemed untrustworthy.

Surely you have proof for this nonsense?



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drkohler said:
Persistantthug said:


Sony's not going to IBM again....

IBM screwed Sony the last time and has been deemed untrustworthy.

Surely you have proof for this nonsense?

Do I need proof to proclaim IBM derived XBOX 360's Xenon CPU from the PPU of the Cell Processor?

 

That's already well known.



Few people seem to remember that you need to include cost to the retailer!

With many products if it cost you $500 to make, you should sell it to your retailer at $1000 and they will sell for $2000. (Unless you are Apple, who has even pricier mark ups.)

Anybody know what the markup is on gaming consoles? (I.E. what does Gamestop have to pay Sony for a PS3, that they sell for say $299). I saw 5% but that seems much to low, as most things are 100%-300%.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

"Ram:
Fast Ram is so cheap nowadays, even the WiiU will feature 1.5GB ram. You can find 4GB Corsair Vengeance ram for 25 euros."

Lol... No! The memory ram you see on consoles is not the same you see on PCs, it's way more expensive to develop this kind of ram. I believe you should take a look at some neogaf posts.

Also, the most expensive aspect about the PS3 was Cell's development and blu ray.

And we have a new info about the WiiU's ram, which is not 1.5GBs, but we still need to know about vram and some other elements.



Zappykins said:
Few people seem to remember that you need to include cost to the retailer!

With many products if it cost you $500 to make, you should sell it to your retailer at $1000 and they will sell for $2000. (Unless you are Apple, who has even pricier mark ups.)

Anybody know what the markup is on gaming consoles? (I.E. what does Gamestop have to pay Sony for a PS3, that they sell for say $299). I saw 5% but that seems much to low, as most things are 100%-300%.

Retail mark-up is usually $5 to $10 for consoles, maybe a little more if the retailer dosn't want to stock a certain product (eg. i think PSP Go had $30 retail mark-up). This is because the retailers make there money on selling games and accessories which have much higher mark-ups.



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Aprisaiden said:
Zappykins said:
Few people seem to remember that you need to include cost to the retailer!

With many products if it cost you $500 to make, you should sell it to your retailer at $1000 and they will sell for $2000. (Unless you are Apple, who has even pricier mark ups.)

Anybody know what the markup is on gaming consoles? (I.E. what does Gamestop have to pay Sony for a PS3, that they sell for say $299). I saw 5% but that seems much to low, as most things are 100%-300%.

Retail mark-up is usually $5 to $10 for consoles, maybe a little more if the retailer dosn't want to stock a certain product (eg. i think PSP Go had $30 retail mark-up). This is because the retailers make there money on selling games and accessories which have much higher mark-ups.

Correct.

The business model is called THE RAZOR BLADE BUSINESS MODEL.

 

I notice that Most people that like to talk "consoles",  they seem to not know or understand how it works or pertains to the consoles themselves.



If sony released a $400 Base Model (Lowest HDD Space) and maybe another version for 50 bucks more with a bigger HDD Drive. Then i think its a worthy price point.. cant see it going 300 or less thats crazy.. and plus the 400 bucks would be an improvement over the laughable launch price of the ps3...



Buying a PS4 nuff said.

2Rare2Die said:
If sony released a $400 Base Model (Lowest HDD Space) and maybe another version for 50 bucks more with a bigger HDD Drive. Then i think its a worthy price point.. cant see it going 300 or less thats crazy.. and plus the 400 bucks would be an improvement over the laughable launch price of the ps3...


I so agree with you. I would even pay 499 for a premium model.



I'm inclined to believe that Sony is a rational company that is making decisions in their long term best interests ...

As a result of that, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony use a lot of the engineering from the PS3 in the PS4 to make their life easier. Basically, use a modified Cell processor, a GPU similar in performance to the Radeon HD7750, 2GB of GDDR5 memory, Blu-Ray drive and (probably) a terrabyte hard drive. When released in Q4 of 2013 it will have a manufacturing price somewhere in the $300 to $400 range, and Sony could afford to sell it for $400 even if it has an "innovative" controller and/or a packed in game.



Zappykins said:
Few people seem to remember that you need to include cost to the retailer!

With many products if it cost you $500 to make, you should sell it to your retailer at $1000 and they will sell for $2000. (Unless you are Apple, who has even pricier mark ups.)

Anybody know what the markup is on gaming consoles? (I.E. what does Gamestop have to pay Sony for a PS3, that they sell for say $299). I saw 5% but that seems much to low, as most things are 100%-300%.

i've heard the mark up for games consoles is almost nothing, because as the consoles manufactures also do, they make money on software and to get the software selling they need to get as much hardware out as possible.