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Nintendo ruined my life.

Yes, a lot! 35 12.37%
 
Yes, kinda! 11 3.89%
 
You're nuts. 52 18.37%
 
Get a grip! 63 22.26%
 
They definitely failed E3, but we'll see. 87 30.74%
 
Beer (ummmm) 34 12.01%
 
Total:282
happydolphin on 06 June 2012
Oromashu said:

The Wii U has a good line-up for the holiday, probably better than Xbox 360 and PS3, but the problem I see is what they have to offer for early 2013. Maybe some 3rd Party filler, who knows, but hopefully it's enough steam to make it to E3 2013, when I'm hoping some core franchises will be revealed.

Nintendo has always been a mysterious type of gaming company. They want the awe factor to be there when they release their HD Zelda and 3D Marios and Smash, but if it isn't ready to be seen, sadly they won't show it. Though, I was half-expecting a HD Zelda at this E3 because of the tech demo.

So I'm not angry or anything. Nintendo just wanted to cover the casual base first, offer teaspoons of core offerings with Pikmin, and hope it rides them into next year. Which is fine, but I'm earnestly hoping for some real meat that makes me really want to keep my Wii U in the living room and not in the closet.

If it's any consolation, the 3DS is looking incredibly good now. Looks like I'll be getting one soon.

It's NOT FINE!!! They said at the last financial briefing that they would FIRST cater to the core, then to the casual. If they are, they showed us the EXACT opposite at E3's keynote.

I want to knee reggie and Iwata in the nuts several times.



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Oromashu on 06 June 2012
happydolphin said:
Oromashu said:

The Wii U has a good line-up for the holiday, probably better than Xbox 360 and PS3, but the problem I see is what they have to offer for early 2013. Maybe some 3rd Party filler, who knows, but hopefully it's enough steam to make it to E3 2013, when I'm hoping some core franchises will be revealed.

Nintendo has always been a mysterious type of gaming company. They want the awe factor to be there when they release their HD Zelda and 3D Marios and Smash, but if it isn't ready to be seen, sadly they won't show it. Though, I was half-expecting a HD Zelda at this E3 because of the tech demo.

So I'm not angry or anything. Nintendo just wanted to cover the casual base first, offer teaspoons of core offerings with Pikmin, and hope it rides them into next year. Which is fine, but I'm earnestly hoping for some real meat that makes me really want to keep my Wii U in the living room and not in the closet.

If it's any consolation, the 3DS is looking incredibly good now. Looks like I'll be getting one soon.

It's NOT FINE!!! They said at the last financial briefing that they would FIRST cater to the core, then to the casual. If they are, they showed us the EXACT opposite at E3's keynote.

I want to knee reggie and Iwata in the nuts several times.

True enough, but what got what we got. I want to tell myself they're pushing the casual games/etc out of the way first, for the holiday launch, and will subsequently follow with more core franchises and the like. Considering the core also wanted 3rd party support as well, they did establish some bases with Batman, AC3, ME3, so I think it's a good start.

Actually, I think the number of games for the core side is greater than their casual showings.



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T.Rexington on 06 June 2012

I missed the conference, I didn't really see any particulary interesting links so I've yet to actually see anything but it seems like people hated Nintendo's conference.



Euphoria14 on 06 June 2012
sethnintendo said:
maverick40 said:
sethnintendo said:
SaviorX said:
I'm still not sure what you guys wanted insteadof what you got...

What could have Nintendo done to wow you?

My thought also.  I suppose I am just not the "hardcore" gamer anymore since I don't even give a shit about E3.  E3 has been shit for awhile to me and I hardly give a shit about some news conference that is supposed to be the super bowl event of gaming.  People have too high expectations and apparently Nintendo must release all their IPs at once to satisfy most "core gamers".  Nintendo could come out with a COD/GTA game showing Mario's head being blown off and it still wouldn't be "hardcore" enough due to it having Mario.  Basically, who cares about the "core" gamer considering they are just whining little shits that expect everything yet buy the same shit every year.

What gamers want are new and exciting ip's from Nintendo that cater to a Mature audience so to speak. The are flogging the usual dead horse that is mario and now we have nintendoland(Good god). Yes we know everyone likes mario but people want something new and fresh. You know exactly what games are coming out for the Wii U. There are never any surprises from nintendo anymore that excite the "Hardcore" gamer. Yay another 2D mario, Yay another Smash Brothers, Yay another Mario Kart, Yay another Zelda, Yay another Pokemon. It is same old shit year in, year out. How incredible would it have been if reggie anounced a new game akin to the likes of Halo, The last of US or Beyond: two souls with an awesome trailer that gave you goosebumps when the trailer is finished? The conference had none of that.

Instead it is same old Mario and CO with trailers that could have been from the Wii for all we know. They need to create some new amazing IP that can rival Mario and Metriod and give the Wii U an identity.


Problem is Nintendo's image will always follow them.  Create a "hardcore, mature, graphic" game and most HD console owners would likely throw it under the bus.  Oh it is just from Nintendo...  You are right they could use some new IPs but they don't have to be mature.  That is what the shitty 3rd party companies are for (Capcom is one of the few 3rd party companies that I remotely care about).  You don't see too many Nintendo gamers begging for another External Darkness, Sin & Punishment, Disaster: Day of Crisis, or anything that they have released that was "mature".  How would a game akin to Halo be a "new game" or copying of any current offering.  You complain about sequels but look at almost all the games out.  They are almost all sequels.  Nintendo just has an image problem due to little shit teenagers trying to rebel and look cool along with the "mature" 20 year olds.  They have suffered from this image since the 16 bit era.

As usual, it's everyone elses fault and never Nintendos...

Nintendo put that image on itself and never even made the attempt to change it. Instead they showed their soon to release console complete with Nintendo Land, WiiFit, Singing, Dancing, Mario and tops it off with Nintendo Land fireworks show.

People also do not ask for more of a game like Disaster considering Nintendo didn't give it them in the first place. Just like how we in the US we don't ask for another Fatal Frame or Soma Bringer. Those "Whiny little teenagers" and "whiny little core" players are also the same TERRIBLE people who actually voiced their frustration and thanks to them you get to play Xenoblade, Last Story and Pandora's Tower.

 

Stoping blaming the wrong people.



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happydolphin on 06 June 2012
Oromashu said:

True enough, but what got what we got. I want to tell myself they're pushing the casual games/etc out of the way first, for the holiday launch, and will subsequently follow with more core franchises and the like. Considering the core also wanted 3rd party support as well, they did establish some bases with Batman, AC3, ME3, so I think it's a good start.

Actually, I think the number of games for the core side is greater than their casual showings.

It is a start, I will never agree with it, and it's good, but I wouldn't say it's a good start. A good start would have been nailing it with 3rd parties from the get-go and reassuring us of that fact at E3.

As it stands, we're not sure, maybe things will pick up, maybe they won't. I'm ready to bet they won't.



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Porcupine_I on 06 June 2012

its their own fault, nintendo should have released a whole new console, instead a new fancy controller for the Wii



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Euphoria14 on 06 June 2012
Oromashu said:
happydolphin said:
Oromashu said:

The Wii U has a good line-up for the holiday, probably better than Xbox 360 and PS3, but the problem I see is what they have to offer for early 2013. Maybe some 3rd Party filler, who knows, but hopefully it's enough steam to make it to E3 2013, when I'm hoping some core franchises will be revealed.

Nintendo has always been a mysterious type of gaming company. They want the awe factor to be there when they release their HD Zelda and 3D Marios and Smash, but if it isn't ready to be seen, sadly they won't show it. Though, I was half-expecting a HD Zelda at this E3 because of the tech demo.

So I'm not angry or anything. Nintendo just wanted to cover the casual base first, offer teaspoons of core offerings with Pikmin, and hope it rides them into next year. Which is fine, but I'm earnestly hoping for some real meat that makes me really want to keep my Wii U in the living room and not in the closet.

If it's any consolation, the 3DS is looking incredibly good now. Looks like I'll be getting one soon.

It's NOT FINE!!! They said at the last financial briefing that they would FIRST cater to the core, then to the casual. If they are, they showed us the EXACT opposite at E3's keynote.

I want to knee reggie and Iwata in the nuts several times.

True enough, but what got what we got. I want to tell myself they're pushing the casual games/etc out of the way first, for the holiday launch, and will subsequently follow with more core franchises and the like. Considering the core also wanted 3rd party support as well, they did establish some bases with Batman, AC3, ME3, so I think it's a good start.

Actually, I think the number of games for the core side is greater than their casual showings.

The big problem however is that the games you just mentioned , as well as titles shown like Just Dance are also coming out on the consoles it supposed to compete against. Not a good strategy when you try to convince people to spend $300+ on a new console to play games you will already have available on the console(s) you already own.

Then on top of that you had, in the same conference no less, someone showing a fitness title to compete against your own.

 

Batman had some uses for the tablet, but nothing I would call revolutionary. The baterang can be done with the PS3 controller and I don't even think they showed additional functionality for Mass Effect 3 or Assassin's Creed 3 did they?

Then on top of that they are supposedly skipping Gamescom in August. Gamescom, a conference that is being expanded upon this year and will have companies like Sony showing a ton of stuff and possibly even dropping price cut news for Vita and/or PS3 along with new announcements, so guess who the media is going to be covering. Not Nintendo.

 

If this thing is truly releasing within the next 4-6 months then they seriously have much to get done in that span and they certainly are not doing themselves any favors.



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happydolphin on 06 June 2012
Porcupine_I said:
its their own fault, nintendo should have released a whole new console, instead a new fancy controller for the Wii

Okay, you're just lost. Go back to hang out with your friend Pachter, this has nothing to do with the controller.

noobs...



happydolphin on 06 June 2012
Euphoria14 said:

Batman had some uses for the tablet, but nothing I would call revolutionary. The baterang can be done with the PS3 controller and I don't even think they showed additional functionality for Mass Effect 3 or Assassin's Creed 3 did they?

No, it was revolutionary, much more than just controlling a batarang (you bring out the only case that's already been done, even by the Wiimote, see SS). What you could do was the kind of thing you can do on 3DS like in RE:R, but could never do on consoles. Complete puzzles on a touch screen, swap items on the fly. Then ZombiU actually shows the player punch in a code while the TV screen shows the character looking back at the zombies. That was awesome, I'm sorry. No, the controller is revolutionary, that's not the issue.

For everything else in your post, I agree.



richardhutnik on 06 June 2012

Blame me.

I consider your getting upset, and the number of other people upset on forums like this, as a badge of honor to wear.  The same crowd that bashed the Wii, which changed the game, bashed the WiiU.  I think Nintendo did what it was supposed to do with E3, and also know what they are doing with direction.  They change the game.  They kept themselves alive, and also opened up gaming for others.  All this is good things.  If you don't like what had happened, you wanted Nintendo to go out of business.  Before the Wii, they were reduced to merely being a company with a strong foothold in the handheld arena.  The Wii changed the game to remind people that it isn't all about the graphics.

Basic tip of reality: It isn't here to serve you.  If you get served by reality, it is because you were able to adjust to it.  If you fail to adjust, it is your fault.