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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Nintendo just shot themselves in the foot for next gen, repeat of Wii all over again

This is a company that made its first annual loss in its entire 100+ year history partly because it was brave enough to take losses on 1 of its 2 only real major product lines (barring games), and has consistently shown since March last year that they will fight for the consumer where necessary.

Op is suffering Pachter levels of delusion right now, which is understandable because i too am quite disappointed, but I think Nintendo's going to move their ass on this issue sooner than we think.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

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UltimateUnknown said:
I guess Pachter was right all along. Nintendo just released the Wii HD, only 3 years late to the party.

I have never felt so disappointed about a NEW console, a NEW console. Thats what gets me so excited but the Wii U is shaping up to be so meh. I don't know if anyone else got the buzz you get with a brand new gen and console with the Wii U.

I can whipe my ass with Pachter's face. How hard is it to predict that the successor to the Wii would be HD and have Wii-like games.

Give me a break. Their fail has little to do with this. It has to do with them not giving us any meaningful 1st party offering in an FPS era. Where the hell was Prime?? It also has to do with an abysmal 3rd party showing. AC3 and ME3 is great, but it needs to be almost all of them. Not what I saw.



ryuzaki57 said:
milkyjoe said:
Does it need to be pointed out why saying "repeat of the Wii" and "shot themselves in the foot" are contradictory statements?

No. Wii did fail. It can't compete in the long run with PS360, and it's already leagues behind in software sales and quality.

 

Because Call of Duty is such a quality franchise.



Mr Khan said:
They certainly didn't create the impression that they're trying something different with Wii U, however their positioning in the market could make the difference in picking up that third party support, with the Nintendo first party edge picking up the slack in other matters. Larger matters of strategy should keep them safe, and it's clear that they're not focusing on "games the developers want to make," and so may be avoiding the problems that tripped up the early 3DS

But aren't we just sick of giving them the benefit of the doubt??? For FS, just tell us something to keep us reassured. Show us schedules of a majority of 3rd parties being on board. A few here and there will not cut it, the support needs to be massive. Tell us Prime is coming, an epic Starfox Adventure is in the drawing board stage. Tell us!

Otherwise, how will the core EVER be mildly interested? Nintendo needs to play with the big boys ASAP.



Gamerace said:
I agree Nintendo is in deep trouble here, although for different reasons.

WiiU does have a lot of the same problems Wii had right off the bat. While it has some 3rd party games, so did Wii initially and like Wii U they were mostly ports of games on other consoles but with new controls. Wii's controler was revolutionary. Even core gamers wanted to see how games would play with this controller. WiiU's controller is 2 years too late to be even remotely revolutionary. It leaves little to the imagination. And games like Batman:AC will play 90% the same instead of 100% different in Wii's case.

But Nintendo has a much bigger problem.

Wii's genius was it's simplicity. Wii Sports was a game anyone, anyone from 2 to 92 could pick up and play in seconds and have fun. It took away all those ugly and confusing buttons and sticks and simplified it into something looking like a remote control. It offered gameplay completely different than what you could get elsewhere.

All of that is lost.

WiiU's games are a confusing mess of multiple control schemes WITH all those ugly buttons and sticks returned and now touch screen and motion and Wiimote and nunchuk still needed AND Wii Pro AND balance board... WTF??? Grandma is staying the hell away from this techno mess. Of course it's not as bad as all that, but the message here is totally confused. The simplity that made Wii appealing; lost. This will scare not entice casual gamers.

So in the end:

Little to entice the core

Little to entice casual

Good news - Nintendoland is a great concept to introduce casuals to Nintendo's other franchises.
Sony's and MS new systems still look to be two years away.

Excellent post. You hit the nail on the head there.



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Replace "foot" with "head" and I'd agree.



Snesboy said:
ryuzaki57 said:
milkyjoe said:
Does it need to be pointed out why saying "repeat of the Wii" and "shot themselves in the foot" are contradictory statements?

No. Wii did fail. It can't compete in the long run with PS360, and it's already leagues behind in software sales and quality.

Because Call of Duty is such a quality franchise.

Call of Duty is not a quality franchise, but besides CoD PS360 has countless quality games that Wii doesn't have. So the HD twins win in overall quality. 



ryuzaki57 said:
Snesboy said:
ryuzaki57 said:
milkyjoe said:
Does it need to be pointed out why saying "repeat of the Wii" and "shot themselves in the foot" are contradictory statements?

No. Wii did fail. It can't compete in the long run with PS360, and it's already leagues behind in software sales and quality.

Because Call of Duty is such a quality franchise.

Call of Duty is not a quality franchise, but besides CoD PS360 has countless quality games that Wii doesn't have. So the HD twins win in overall quality. 

Subjective, and therefore unprovable.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Mr Khan said:
ryuzaki57 said:
Snesboy said:
ryuzaki57 said:
milkyjoe said:
Does it need to be pointed out why saying "repeat of the Wii" and "shot themselves in the foot" are contradictory statements?

No. Wii did fail. It can't compete in the long run with PS360, and it's already leagues behind in software sales and quality.

Because Call of Duty is such a quality franchise.

Call of Duty is not a quality franchise, but besides CoD PS360 has countless quality games that Wii doesn't have. So the HD twins win in overall quality. 

Subjective, and therefore unprovable.


According to Metacritic, games which are rated 80+ (I used the hole list here, I was being quick):
PS3 has 280 
360 has 322 
Wii has 103 

I think ryuzaki57 point of PS3 and 360 having countless quality games that the Wii doesn't have has quite a bit of merit (also, review wise, CoD is a very high quality franchise).



Mr Khan said:
ryuzaki57 said:
Snesboy said:
ryuzaki57 said:
milkyjoe said:
Does it need to be pointed out why saying "repeat of the Wii" and "shot themselves in the foot" are contradictory statements?

No. Wii did fail. It can't compete in the long run with PS360, and it's already leagues behind in software sales and quality.

Because Call of Duty is such a quality franchise.

Call of Duty is not a quality franchise, but besides CoD PS360 has countless quality games that Wii doesn't have. So the HD twins win in overall quality. 

Subjective, and therefore unprovable.

If everything is subjective, why do we even debate?