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Viper1 said:
johnsobas said:
people actually think there is a difference between these 2 morons? Really?

Sadly, most people do not see this.  They see D or R, or they see white and black while missing the fact that everything else (the important parts) is pretty much the exact same thing.

Left candidate: I say, your three cent titanium tax goes too far!
Right candidate: And I say, your three cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!



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Gay relationships tend to have more abuse largely because of the economics of it.

Gay people have something like one tenth the options a normal person has.

I'd also argue economics is why all divorce rates are up.

Why would a woman stay in a bad marriage if she could get a job?



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
HappySqurriel said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


What is your point?

A black person is more likely to commit crimes during his entire lifetime, so should we not give them the same rights as white people because of that?

I define marriage as something that makes people happy to some extend, and you want to exclude a huge amount of people from that happiness.

So, tens of thousands of years of it being a formalized family unit for having and raising children should be abandoned because you feel that it has "something" to do with happiness ...

Personally, I believe it is fair to argue that the same laws and protections granted by the government should be granted to same sex couples by providing civil unions (or the government getting out of Marriage all together), it is another to say that cultural traditions that started at the beginning of human history should be abandoned because people feel left out.

What if those cultural traditions are discriminating? Should we still not abandon them just to show respect for the ignorant people who lived thousands of years ago?

Take a close look at number 5 and number 6 in my signature.

5 is completely unrelated to my argument and what I'm saying is unrelated to 6 ...

As an analogy, Sports Utility Vehicles (SUVs) have been designed to go off road for generations; regardless of whether someone takes them off road, or whether the vehicle has something wrong with it that prevents it from going off road, it doesn't stop it from being a sports utility vehicle. A sports car was not designed to go off road, and you could probably not take it off road even if you tried really hard. Is it discriminatory to say that a sports car is not a sport utitlity vehicle even though they both have "sport" in the name and are used for recreation?

The government may have no right to provide preferential treatment to either kind of relationship, but that doesn't make a gay relationship the same as a marriage.



HappySqurriel said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

What if those cultural traditions are discriminating? Should we still not abandon them just to show respect for the ignorant people who lived thousands of years ago?

Take a close look at number 5 and number 6 in my signature.

5 is completely unrelated to my argument and what I'm saying is unrelated to 6 ...

As an analogy, Sports Utility Vehicles (SUVs) have been designed to go off road for generations; regardless of whether someone takes them off road, or whether the vehicle has something wrong with it that prevents it from going off road, it doesn't stop it from being a sports utility vehicle. A sports car was not designed to go off road, and you could probably not take it off road even if you tried really hard. Is it discriminatory to say that a sports car is not a sport utitlity vehicle even though they both have "sport" in the name and are used for recreation?

The government may have no right to provide preferential treatment to either kind of relationship, but that doesn't make a gay relationship the same as a marriage.

You have to understand that the whole point is to change the definition of marriage.

If there is a great store which excludes certain minorities, what would be the best course of action: To build a new store next to it where everyone can go (and let the two co-exist), or to change the guidelines of the old one?



SamuelRSmith said:

Bahaha!

It seems the logical next question for Obama to have to answer is, if you are in favor of gay marriage again now, have you changed your mind on marriage not being a civil right? And if it is a civil right, how can it possibly be the prerogrative of the individual states to deny it? Luckily for him, the media is so heavily in the tank for him, and completely inept besides, that they will never force him to answer this question. Hopefully Gary Johnson will call him out on it, at least.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
HappySqurriel said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

What if those cultural traditions are discriminating? Should we still not abandon them just to show respect for the ignorant people who lived thousands of years ago?

Take a close look at number 5 and number 6 in my signature.

5 is completely unrelated to my argument and what I'm saying is unrelated to 6 ...

As an analogy, Sports Utility Vehicles (SUVs) have been designed to go off road for generations; regardless of whether someone takes them off road, or whether the vehicle has something wrong with it that prevents it from going off road, it doesn't stop it from being a sports utility vehicle. A sports car was not designed to go off road, and you could probably not take it off road even if you tried really hard. Is it discriminatory to say that a sports car is not a sport utitlity vehicle even though they both have "sport" in the name and are used for recreation?

The government may have no right to provide preferential treatment to either kind of relationship, but that doesn't make a gay relationship the same as a marriage.

You have to understand that the whole point is to change the definition of marriage.

If there is a great store which excludes certain minorities, what would be the best course of action: To build a new store next to it where everyone can go (and let the two co-exist), or to change the guidelines of the old one?

Here is a question for you, is it discriminatory to have separate restrooms for men and women? Is it discriminatory to have separate places of worship for Christians, Jewish people, and Muslims?

Marriage is a structured relationship that is enforced by society in general to create a solid family unity to have children with recognized paternity and strong parental involvement from the father. I don't see what homosexual relationships have to do with this.

You realistically don't care about marriage, you just are spoiled little kid deep down inside and are unwilling to let anyone have anything you don't have. I'm surprised you're not protesting Synagogues because you think it is discriminatory that only Jewish people can have a Bar Mitzvah, or Catholic curches because only Catholics can have communion.

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HappySqurriel said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

You have to understand that the whole point is to change the definition of marriage.

If there is a great store which excludes certain minorities, what would be the best course of action: To build a new store next to it where everyone can go (and let the two co-exist), or to change the guidelines of the old one?

Here is a question for you, is it discriminatory to have separate restrooms for men and women? Is it discriminatory to have separate places of worship for Christians, Jewish people, and Muslims?

Marriage is a structured relationship that is enforced by society in general to create a solid family unity to have children with recognized paternity and strong parental involvement from the father. I don't see what homosexual relationships have to do with this.

You realistically don't care about marriage, you just are spoiled little kid deep down inside and are unwilling to let anyone have anything you don't have. I'm surprised you're not protesting Synagogues because you think it is discriminatory that only Jewish people can have a Bar Mitzvah, or Catholic curches because only Catholics can have communion.

Alright, where the fuck did that come from? "Spoiled little kid"??? Do you even listen to yourself or are you out of your mind?

Gay couples can raise children just as well as any other parents; adopting children is very common for your information.

 

I respected you as a poster during my lurker days, but no more.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
HappySqurriel said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
NolSinkler said:
Romney, because at least he isn't for same-sex 'marriage'.


Feel free to check out my signature whenever you've got some time to spare.


Not that I care much anymore (gay marriage has been legal in Canada for several years now) but your signature, and most pro-gay marriage stances, fails to address the underlying question of "What is marriage?"

We live in a society where the institution of marriage has been under assault for over 60 years, and today it has been so watered down that the average person's definition would be something along the lines of "What happens after a wedding". There is far more to it than that, and one of the reasons the divorce rate is already so high is most people have forgotten what a marriage is supposed to be; and simply want a wedding with their partner because they lust for them. I don't fear a "slippery slope" argument with gay marriage, but I have never seen anyone explain how two people of the same sex can be married ... Being in love is not enough, having a ceremony is not enough, having a stable monogamous partnership which lasts a lifetime for the purpose of raising children is required.

This isn't about "good vs. evil" or about "tolerance" this is purely about definitions ... Just because you want to call your cat a dog doesn't make it a dog

"Just because you want to call your cat a dog doesn't make it a dog."

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Tell me one single difference between marriage with different-sex partners and marriage with same-sex partners other than their biological differences. It is two people who love each other and who wants to be able to officially show it to others.

I posted this on my wall earlier, but I guess it fits ferfectly here as well:

 

Sex differences are no different than skin-colour differences; They are entirely biological. Just because you are born gay you shouldn't be excluded from the happiness that marriage may bring.

im guessing you also support polygammy.- people should be able to marry a several dozen other people, right?

im guessing you support marrying your brother, or sister, mom or dad too, or all of them at once, right?

if not, imagine how stupid you are going to look in 40 years.



killerzX said:

im guessing you also support polygammy.- people should be able to marry a several dozen other people, right?

im guessing you support marrying your brother, or sister, mom or dad too, or all of them at once, right?

if not, imagine how stupid you are going to look in 40 years.


That is completely unrelated. Marriage between two people of the same sex are already happening in a few developed countries (including here where I live).

America will follow, no matter how long it may take.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
killerzX said:

im guessing you also support polygammy.- people should be able to marry a several dozen other people, right?

im guessing you support marrying your brother, or sister, mom or dad too, or all of them at once, right?

if not, imagine how stupid you are going to look in 40 years.


That is completely unrelated. Marriage between two people of the same sex are already happening in a few developed countries (including here where I live).

America will follow, no matter how long it may take.

how so?

you, yourself just said you want to change the definition of marriage.

so why is okay and normal for 2 people of the same sex to marry, but not 3, 5 10 or 50 people of the same sex and different sex. why is it not okay for family members to marry each other?

you are dodging the question, because the same nonlogical argument you are applying to gay marriage can also be applied to other forms of marriage, which you are irronically against.