killerzX said:
bluesinG said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
killerzX said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
That is completely unrelated. Marriage between two people of the same sex are already happening in a few developed countries (including here where I live).
America will follow, no matter how long it may take.
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how so?
you, yourself just said you want to change the definition of marriage.
so why is okay and normal for 2 people of the same sex to marry, but not 3, 5 10 or 50 people of the same sex and different sex. why is it not okay for family members to marry each other?
you are dodging the question, because the same nonlogical argument you are applying to gay marriage can also be applied to other forms of marriage, which you are irronically against.
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I obviously want equality between hetero- and homosexuals. Stop bringing up bullshit.
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Marriage within a family is not okay because it puts children at increased risk of genetic disorders, infant mortality, infertility, and loss of immune system functioning, among other things.
Polygamy is not okay because it creates inherently unequal partnerships. For example, situations where multiple women have to share one man.
Neither of those arguments applies to same-sex marriage. Same-sex marriage is not harmful to children, or to the two adults involved.
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im guessing you quoted the wrong person.
so, you are against people marrying each other for love because they might have a disabled child. how says they want a child, who are you to tell them they cant have one, its their family. im guessing you are against retarded people marrying then too, im guessing you are against smokers or drinkers from marrying as well, or anyone that has an increased chance of have a baby with a disorder (which is a lot of people). people with family with a history of heart disease should as not marry i guess. fat people shouldnt marry either.
also homosexuals are at a much greater risk at getting an STD, so i guess you are against gay marriage too.
you are making assumptions now. who are you to say that in a polygomist marriage the partners wont love each other equally. and you are saying because they might not love each other as much as another, they shouldnt get married. i guess that goes for pretty much everybody. we should ban all marriage becuase someone might not love their partner enough. what about children should people only have one child as not to love their other child more than their other.
furthermore, homosexual couples are much more likely to be promiscuous, so they shouldnt marry either by your very own logic.
and actually it is shown time and time again that kids not in a stable family with a mom and a dad are much more likey to do bad in school, do drugs, get in trouble.
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You originally implied that same-family marriage, polygamy, and same-sex marriage are equivalent. I simply pointed out that they aren't equivalent. There are arguments against same-family marriage and polygamy that don't apply to same-sex marriage. Do you recognize my point?
Regarding the first bolded part of your reply, what is your evidence that married same-sex couples are more likely to cheat on their spouses than are married opposite-sex couples?
As for the second bolded part, to quote the American Psychological Assocation (2004) "beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002). Lesbian and heterosexual women have not been found to differ markedly in their approaches to child rearing (Patterson, 2000; Tasker, 1999). Members of gay and lesbian couples with children have been found to divide the work involved in childcare evenly, and to be satisfied with their relationships with their partners (Patterson, 2000, 2004a)... There is no scientific basis for concluding that lesbian mothers or gay fathers are unfit parents on the basis of their sexual orientation (Armesto, 2002; Patterson, 2000; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children."
Here are the references cited:
Armesto, J. C. (2002). Developmental and contextual factors that influence gay fathers' parental competence: A review of the literature. Psychology of Men and Masculinity, 3, 67 - 78.
Patterson, C.J. (2000). Family relationships of lesbians and gay men. Journal of Marriage and Family, 62, 1052- 1069.
Patterson, C.J. (2004a). Lesbian and gay parents and their children: Summary of research findings. In Lesbian and gay parenting: A resource for psychologists. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.
Perrin, E. C., and the Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health (2002). Technical Report: Coparent or second-parent adoption by same-sex parents. Pediatrics, 109, 341 - 344.
Tasker, F. (1999). Children in lesbian-led families - A review. Clinical Child Psychology and Psychiatry, 4, 153 - 166.
Tasker, F., & Golombok, S. (1997). Growing up in a lesbian family. New York: Guilford Press.