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Sony Corporation's worrying financial results have contributed to a 6.7 per cent drop in share price bringing them to ¥1,110, their lowest since 2008.

"I didn't see anything positive in there," a US trader told Reuters. "There is really nothing in there that can justify buying the stock."

"You see the loss narrowing in the TV business. That's fine, but I don't see any future in the TV business, so it doesn't matter what they do."

The most recent financial reports have clearly made investors anxious. The Consumer Products and Services division alone saw an operating loss of $2.8 billion.

"Sony is facing a lot of difficulties and the new president has not been able to produce a clear plan as to how he will turn around the company," Fukoku Capital Management's Yuuki Sakurai told the BBC.

"The little that investors have heard, they are not very impressed with."

The share price currently stands at ¥1,135 on the Tokyo Stock Exchange.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-05-11-sony-corp-shares-hit-32-year-low



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ImJustBayuum said:
theprof00 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
MS stuff the supply chain by shipping a lot of xbox 360s to their own store..massive assertion from some people on this forum. Shame they got no facts to back that up. PS3 overtracked, clearly.

I know you're not much for following the track of the conversation and just flaming specific points you disagree with, but let me set you straight.

I believe the PS3 is overtracked by up to 500k.

However, that has literally nothing to do with MS (not "stuffing the supply chain" Mr. straw man) shipping many consoles to their own stores in preparation for this "price test".

Again, I also stated that it wasn't a fact, but is a logical possibility. It has the motivation, the capability, and the situation fits it quite well. That being said, it could still be wrong. But since we have no way of knowing without specific word from above, I prefer to speculate on where these consoles are because what is fun to me is figuring out what is going on. Not sitting back and talking shit about others for asking questions. Derp.

Stupid speculation paraded around like a fact. Why would they only "price test" on their own stores, when majority of 360s are sold via other retailers. And no one is talking shit about you, just your shitty speculations.

You have a bad attitude and are condescending.

What are you talking about "price test" at their own stores? Listen to your friends, bayuum, they all said the same thing.



theprof00 said:
Darth Tigris said:
OH GAWD, is THIS why Seece left???

This thread was decent for the first few pages and then went nuts with crazy speculative talk spouted out as logical facts, mostly about the friggin' 360 and not SONY's financials which this thread is supposed to be about.

Seriously, some of you are ruining this community and no one seems to care ...

You can't argue that my theory COULDN'T happen. That is why it is logical.

You can argue that my theory DIDN'T happen. With which I will submit that I don't know any more than anyone else.

The entire thing was brought up because the question arose, by a 360 fan *rolls eyes that you didn't read this* that why is it ok for 360 to have so much in supply and not ps3. I brought up a logical reason as to HOW it could be possible. Nothing more. Don't get too excited.

So because something might be true, it's a valid argument?

You can apply that to everything with gleeful ignorance of all established fact. It could be utterly ridiculous, but you can do it. For example, there might be a race of mutant sheep living on the moon plotting our demise. You can't prove it wrong because it might be true.



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NotStan said:
theprof00 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
MS stuff the supply chain by shipping a lot of xbox 360s to their own store..massive assertion from some people on this forum. Shame they got no facts to back that up. PS3 overtracked, clearly.

I know you're not much for following the track of the conversation and just flaming specific points you disagree with, but let me set you straight.

I believe the PS3 is overtracked by up to 500k.

However, that has literally nothing to do with MS (not "stuffing the supply chain" Mr. straw man) shipping many consoles to their own stores in preparation for this "price test".

Again, I also stated that it wasn't a fact, but is a logical possibility. It has the motivation, the capability, and the situation fits it quite well. That being said, it could still be wrong. But since we have no way of knowing without specific word from above, I prefer to speculate on where these consoles are because what is fun to me is figuring out what is going on. Not sitting back and talking shit about others for asking questions. Derp.

I think it's time you took a break from mafia, you speculate way too much. In all likelyhood even if your theory holds merit(in theory), there simply isn't enough stores to stuff that many 360s into. Unless each acompanies a large warehouse they have nowhere to put them, there is possibly a higher possibility of them shipping the 360s to Bermuda's triangle, or to the lost island.

It's viable on paper, but in reality that sort of practice would have been found out by now, after all, it's been a full quarter. Someone is buying up the 360s, likely a rich oil baron, but nonetheless, MS is unlikely stuffing their own 20 or so stores they have worldwide.

Kudos on the theory though. What we can do is wait untill the next Q financials, after this programme kicks off - if it's a success and the shipments will not tell a similar story then your theory is correct that they've overshipped in anticipation, however, if the numbers are on par with last years or general trends, then it's probably wrong.(Similar because of taking the degredation of the industry into account)

facepalm. Shipped to go WAREHOUSES. MS has their own warehouses. Maybe you need to play some mafia.



milkyjoe said:
theprof00 said:
Darth Tigris said:
OH GAWD, is THIS why Seece left???

This thread was decent for the first few pages and then went nuts with crazy speculative talk spouted out as logical facts, mostly about the friggin' 360 and not SONY's financials which this thread is supposed to be about.

Seriously, some of you are ruining this community and no one seems to care ...

You can't argue that my theory COULDN'T happen. That is why it is logical.

You can argue that my theory DIDN'T happen. With which I will submit that I don't know any more than anyone else.

The entire thing was brought up because the question arose, by a 360 fan *rolls eyes that you didn't read this* that why is it ok for 360 to have so much in supply and not ps3. I brought up a logical reason as to HOW it could be possible. Nothing more. Don't get too excited.

So because something might be true, it's a valid argument?

You can apply that to everything with gleeful ignorance of all established fact. It could be utterly ridiculous, but you can do it. For example, there might be a race of mutant sheep living on the moon plotting our demise. You can't prove it wrong because it might be true.

I can prove that wrong because nothing lives on the moon, mutant or not.

Boy you're thick.



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LOL.. this thread turned out horrible..

let me make it worse: i don't have prove but it's very logical:
the difference in PSP numbers isn't because we are undertracking but Sony overshipping and overproducing the PSPGo systems.. You can still buy one (I saw one in 1 local store) while they ain't produced anymore, that means Sony has a million of them stored in a big big warehouse.. While storage costs a lot especially since you don't sell them and they just sit there Sony is still testing the water with the PSPGo..

Since we are in line with other tracking firms on the psp that's must be the logical conclusion.

stay classy people..



 

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theprof00 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
theprof00 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
MS stuff the supply chain by shipping a lot of xbox 360s to their own store..massive assertion from some people on this forum. Shame they got no facts to back that up. PS3 overtracked, clearly.

I know you're not much for following the track of the conversation and just flaming specific points you disagree with, but let me set you straight.

I believe the PS3 is overtracked by up to 500k.

However, that has literally nothing to do with MS (not "stuffing the supply chain" Mr. straw man) shipping many consoles to their own stores in preparation for this "price test".

Again, I also stated that it wasn't a fact, but is a logical possibility. It has the motivation, the capability, and the situation fits it quite well. That being said, it could still be wrong. But since we have no way of knowing without specific word from above, I prefer to speculate on where these consoles are because what is fun to me is figuring out what is going on. Not sitting back and talking shit about others for asking questions. Derp.

Stupid speculation paraded around like a fact. Why would they only "price test" on their own stores, when majority of 360s are sold via other retailers. And no one is talking shit about you, just your shitty speculations.

You have a bad attitude and are condescending.

What are you talking about "price test" at their own stores? Listen to your fellow bots, bayuum, they all said the same thing.


Hah, you can talk. I just look at your post history and sigh. And @ bold, I just lol.

IF ms is preparing for this "price-test", the majority of any increase shipment will be to other retailers where most of the 360's are moved/sold to consumers. Not to only 17 or so MS stores.

But at the end of the day, it is your speculation, it doesn't matter how naive or stupid it is.



@bayuum
See unlike many posters here, ive grown a lot and xhanged. Ive made friends with old enemies and o respect all 3 companies truly...where when i started i was a sonyboi.

So believe me when i telp you that i AM capable of daying that it didnt happen. Howvere the accisations put forward so far is that it couldnt happen logistically. What im parading around as logic isnt proof that ilms did do so, but that the capability to do so is present. The capability and the motive are logical.
Youll have to forgive me gor being combatative but ive written that a good three times already. Heres the fourth:
The motive and capability are logically sound, however whether or not it actually happened is not guaranteed just because the motive and capability are there.
When you look at the market, we are missing a whole bunch of 360 sales. No trackers in the world know where they are and suddenly ms stores are having this "sale" to lower the entry price, right?
Surely you must agree that something is going on there correct?
So what could they be doing?
Simply lowering the price, business as usual?
Your friends have countered the motivations of the drop by pointing out that every major analyst is calling it a price test for next gen. I put price test in quotes because i dont think they will ise that model for next gen because this is really geared toward getting people



Cont..
Getting people to invest so late in the game when new xbox is coming out. That way they can transfer live to the mew model and "lock" those customers in. Its a brilliant move and ive always said ms has the smartest business team in this market.additionally shipment numbers are important to stock analysts and this is a good way to ensure confidence in the aging platform. Why sell when the shipments are atill so high?
I agree that perhaps we will simply have to wait for next quarters shipment



@nikkom sorry but itz not logical to extrapolate from anecdotal evidence.
Hilarious how its so easy to have a logical siutation that isnt true, yet noone so far can put forward one.