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God is almighty, and He has every single ability that one may think of. This obviously includes the ablity to see the future, to flawlessly predict everything that will happen in this universe. God is aware of everything.

This makes you wonder though: If God really is almighty, then doesn't He already know who will end up in heaven and who will end up in hell? Would He not be able to predict every single good deed and sin that you will commit throughout your life, even before you were born? I mean, how could He not know?

As I see it, God is currently watching us go through happiness and misery just for the hell of it. He knows exactly how evil will affect all humans involved and He has the ability to stop it. He already knows how every single human will use their free (yet, by God, predictable) will, so it's not up to us to do anything about our situation.

 

Our fate is in God's hands. Period.



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No religion makes any sense.



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spurgeonryan said:
Yep. He knows all. Now repent!

Just because he knows what will happen does not mean we did not make those choices. He just knows that we will make those choices. How does that equal we have no free will?


If he is almighty then he knows whether you will end up in heaven or hell the second (and before that) you are born. Your free will can't change that.



there are actually quite a few theories on this that actually make some sense. Both on natural evil and what causes it and the abilities of God. You should go look them up instead of posting on here because I doubt there are any theist doctors on this site.



An argument I've seen regarding this issue is that God willfully limits himself out of love, in order to preserve our free will - this gets round the problem of omniscience in this case.

Whether or not this is likely/unlikely we do not know, but if you wanted someone to find a way to wriggle out of this logical argument you've cited, well there it is.



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Max King of the Wild said:
there are actually quite a few theories on this that actually make some sense. Both on natural evil and what causes it and the abilities of God. You should go look them up instead of posting on here because I doubt there are any theist doctors on this site.

I know, but as far as I know they don't change a single point that I have made.

If you share some of them that you think would prove me wrong, I'd gladly admit defeat in the OP.



the real question is, why does someone has to go to the psychiatrist if he would spread things like they did in the past which everyone is believeing in? i mean, why do all believe what people in the past who were not the smartest told but if intelligent people from nowadays would tell someone in the bar stories like that they all would be like "uhmm you are mentally ill"

nowadays, there are different psychological terms for these kind of people and how we have to cure them.



No, our fate is in our hands. What God knows is what we do/did but also what we do/did with His guidance. That is the everything He knows. More, what He knows is what we in fact did, do and will do but our time alpha and omega - is just the reality, the actual expression of what He knows.
God gave us freedom to choose not to for His way on us. That is Justice.

What He also knows is that people would turn thei backs on Him and so He would lose them to hell. But of that suffering no one cares.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Max King of the Wild said:
there are actually quite a few theories on this that actually make some sense. Both on natural evil and what causes it and the abilities of God. You should go look them up instead of posting on here because I doubt there are any theist doctors on this site.

I know, but as far as I know they don't change a single point that I have made.

If you share some of them that you think would prove me wrong, I'd gladly admit defeat in the OP.



Well its hard explaining through text, especially since I don't have a phd in philosophy of religion. But a theory of natural evil is if there is a god, an all good and powerful being, then this implies there is an opposite but equal force to balance it out. Another theory of natural evil is that its a product of the world that we live in. God wants us to live in a world that has gravity and weather changes and the only way to create a world such as that then things such as floods and earth quakes will happen. And this benefits us to live in such a world too, though it may not seem like it. To understand why it benefits us go check out people who take up this approach to this question



crissindahouse said:

the real question is, why does someone has to go to the psychiatrist if he would spread things like they did in the past which everyone is believeing in? i mean, why do all believe what people in the past who were not the smartest told but if intelligent people from nowadays would tell someone in the bar stories like that they all would be like "uhmm you are mentally ill"


This is a good question. I actually have no idea how people could believe in the stuff mentioned in the Bible in the first place.

Jesus is another story though. There are some theories in which Jesus don't actually die on the cross, but simulates death (using that fluid from the sponge).. Remember how they said something like "What, Jesus is dead already?"

Yeah... People (think they) saw it happen with their own eyes ("death" and resurrection), making it easy to believe. It's just a theory though, but I don't think it sounds too unlikely.