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SamuelRSmith on 07 May 2012
kowenicki said:

I didnt mention the tories... many labour voters should vote BNP or UKIP when you analyse their "beliefs"


My bad. Jumping to conclusions.

The BNP, while quenching the anti-EU and anti-migrant wishes, won't do much for the expansion of Government, either. From what I can tell, on most non-immigrant issues, they're left of Labour.

UKIP is a much better vote, plus you don't get the loons of the BNP.



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Kantor on 07 May 2012
Kasz216 said:
Scoobes said:
Kasz216 said:
TadpoleJackson said:
I don't follow French politics, at all. Why don't people like Sarkozy? I'd assume any French leader who doesn't get invaded a successful one


Honestly, it all started bad with the day he was elected.  Rather then meet with the people immediatly as was traditional he instead went to a party held by wealth supporters.  People saw it as him being in the hands of the wealthy.

Weeks later it was found out the reason he had done this was that he and his wife were getting a divorce, but she had agreed to stick with him for a month or two after the election

His wife couldn't be found and he didn't want the embarresment of showing up without his wife.  It was however too late after that and the table was set... a collection of blunders later, and France elected someone largely because he wasn't sarkozy. (Seriously, that's what the polls showed for the first election... most hollande votes were because he wasn't Sarkozy.)

To be honest, I'm surprised Sarkozy wasn't beaten by a larger margin. Before the election Hollande seemed to have unified the support from the left whilst Sarkozy struggled to get the extreme right on board.


Me too.  I mean Le Penn refused to endorse him, which i'm not sure was hilarious or funny.

It makes me wonder... does france not have a primary system?  Why didn't someone within the party look at the sitatuion and say "Hey, policy wise people still mostly agree with us, they just hate Sarkozy, lets replace him."

Should be interesting to see what Hollande does.  He'd already made assurances with Merkel before elected that makes it sound like he's not going to go all the way through with his campagin promises.  So it seems like he's leaning towards a sprint towards the middle to hold power, rather then try and accomplish his view in one term and hope it sticks.

Don't be silly. 99% of incumbents in any country who are running for re-election will get their party's nomination. It's an enormous advantage. Obama hasn't had the greatest approval record, but the Democrats aren't about to dump him for somebody else. France does have primaries, and Hollande won the Socialist primary.

What Hollande does now is rapidly retreat from his promises and change nothing, most probably.



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Kantor on 07 May 2012
SamuelRSmith said:
kowenicki said:

I didnt mention the tories... many labour voters should vote BNP or UKIP when you analyse their "beliefs"


My bad. Jumping to conclusions.

The BNP, while quenching the anti-EU and anti-migrant wishes, won't do much for the expansion of Government, either. From what I can tell, on most non-immigrant issues, they're left of Labour.

UKIP is a much better vote, plus you don't get the loons of the BNP

I agree that UKIP is a better vote (and indeed, the best vote), but it's not that it has no loons (every party has loons), but that Nigel Farage, unlike Nick Griffin, is an intelligent and likeable man, and he managed to hide his party's loony elements much better.



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Kasz216 on 07 May 2012
kowenicki said:
Kasz216 said:
It's funny though... One of the main reasons the socialist got elected was because Sarkozy didn't cut the size of French government.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304363104577388080240429536.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


I dont know how it is in France... but in the UK a large portion of people that vote for the Labour party are very confused...  A hell of a lot of working class people want to limit immigration, dont like Europe, hate big government, are opposed to gay rights etc etc... and yet they always have and always will vote Labour.  They vote left, when they should vote right.

its odd.

and its why its a pity we cant have some kind of test prior to a vote counting.  It helps if someone knows for what they are voting.  I know, I know, thats not democratic... but it is infuriating sometimes how totally unaware whole swaithes of the population are.

You could always do blind ballot voting.  That is rather then the parties names they are faced with a short summary of the parties platform.

In ohio some elected officials are on the ballot only by name and it's actually illegal to put down the party affiliation so you have to go just by party affiliation.

Judges i think.

As I reacall conservative judges almost always win.



SamuelRSmith on 07 May 2012
Kantor said:
SamuelRSmith said:
kowenicki said:

I didnt mention the tories... many labour voters should vote BNP or UKIP when you analyse their "beliefs"


My bad. Jumping to conclusions.

The BNP, while quenching the anti-EU and anti-migrant wishes, won't do much for the expansion of Government, either. From what I can tell, on most non-immigrant issues, they're left of Labour.

UKIP is a much better vote, plus you don't get the loons of the BNP

I agree that UKIP is a better vote (and indeed, the best vote), but it's not that it has no loons (every party has loons), but that Nigel Farage, unlike Nick Griffin, is an intelligent and likeable man, and he managed to hide his party's loony elements much better.


Yes, but the BNP is primarily loons. Nothing more than the EDL in cheap suits.



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haxxiy on 07 May 2012

Cheer up guys, things are still going to get worse.