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shanbcn said:
DirtyP2002 said:
shanbcn said:
DirtyP2002 said:
bertlsenix said:

So shipping is now selling?
So if Sony is suddenly shipping 1389672342 Million Units to africa they are Number 1?

Its kinda funny...M$ only has to ship stuff while the other 2 have to actually SELL their stuff ;)


Welcome to VGC.

Shipped = sold for the manufacturer. Yeah, Sony would be no. 1 if they manage to sell these numbers to Africa. The point is, you have to find someone buying these consoles.

console:
1st: Manufacturer --> retailer
2nd: retailer --> consumer

money:
1st: retailer --> manufacturer
2nd: consumer --> retailer

So you have to find the retailers buying you consoles, because they think they will sell them. That is the rough part.

So MS SOLD their stuff to retailers. 67.2 million consoles shipped and sold to retail. VGC said that 65.3 million consoles were sold from retailers to consumers. That means according to VGC there are 1.9 million consoles sitting at differnt retailers around the world. This is way too much. 1 million seems reasonable, because this is the average level of stock for the past 2 years at this time of the year. Actually it is just under 1 million.

I hope I was able to clear things up.

The problem is now days with Nintendo releasing european sales figures, we now know almost 100% of video game market. And on top of that Wii and 360 doesnt even come close to PS3 in developing countries. So must likely MS overshipped unless Europe sales are undertracked which doesnt seem likely.


I bolded the part where you are wrong.


Next week nintendo will release sold numbers for european countries. Unless anyone can comeup with solid proof that 360 is overtracked by 1 million anywhere else then sure otherwise accept the numbers.

So you are telling me that a scenario where MS has more consoles in stores than Sony ever had in its 7th year is more realistic than VGC undertracking some parts of the world?

Please link me to accurate sales numbers for Korea, Brazil, Poland, Mexico, Canada, Russia, Africa, Chile, Indonesia, China etc.

Heck VGC was like 30% off last month for the USA according to NPD. Why is it so hard to imagine they could be 1.49% off for the entire world?

And Nintendo reports their own numbers for Europe according to GfK. We do not get full numbers. We have some over-motivated guys on the internet counting pixels (!!) in these graphs and calculate the numbers like this. Wonder how accurate that method is.

But first provide me the link. Don't answer before you can prove something.



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good stuff! what was that about a visual look at the industry again...?

So if R&D is on the rise and we make the assumption this is directly related to nextbox ... what can we infer about the timing it's release? does this jive with holiday 2013 like many believe?



Jadedx said:
shanbcn said:
DirtyP2002 said:
shanbcn said:
DirtyP2002 said:
bertlsenix said:

So shipping is now selling?
So if Sony is suddenly shipping 1389672342 Million Units to africa they are Number 1?

Its kinda funny...M$ only has to ship stuff while the other 2 have to actually SELL their stuff ;)


Welcome to VGC.

Shipped = sold for the manufacturer. Yeah, Sony would be no. 1 if they manage to sell these numbers to Africa. The point is, you have to find someone buying these consoles.

console:
1st: Manufacturer --> retailer
2nd: retailer --> consumer

money:
1st: retailer --> manufacturer
2nd: consumer --> retailer

So you have to find the retailers buying you consoles, because they think they will sell them. That is the rough part.

So MS SOLD their stuff to retailers. 67.2 million consoles shipped and sold to retail. VGC said that 65.3 million consoles were sold from retailers to consumers. That means according to VGC there are 1.9 million consoles sitting at differnt retailers around the world. This is way too much. 1 million seems reasonable, because this is the average level of stock for the past 2 years at this time of the year. Actually it is just under 1 million.

I hope I was able to clear things up.

The problem is now days with Nintendo releasing european sales figures, we now know almost 100% of video game market. And on top of that Wii and 360 doesnt even come close to PS3 in developing countries. So must likely MS overshipped unless Europe sales are undertracked which doesnt seem likely.


I bolded the part where you are wrong.


Next week nintendo will release sold numbers for european countries. Unless anyone can comeup with solid proof that 360 is overtracked by 1 million anywhere else then sure otherwise accept the numbers.

Nintendo does not have information for ALL of Europe; also, NA + EU + JP != 100% vg market.

Nintendo sales covers 95% of Europe. And NA + EU+ JP make 90% atleast of overall market.



shanbcn said:
Jadedx said:
shanbcn said:
DirtyP2002 said:
shanbcn said:
DirtyP2002 said:
bertlsenix said:

So shipping is now selling?
So if Sony is suddenly shipping 1389672342 Million Units to africa they are Number 1?

Its kinda funny...M$ only has to ship stuff while the other 2 have to actually SELL their stuff ;)


Welcome to VGC.

Shipped = sold for the manufacturer. Yeah, Sony would be no. 1 if they manage to sell these numbers to Africa. The point is, you have to find someone buying these consoles.

console:
1st: Manufacturer --> retailer
2nd: retailer --> consumer

money:
1st: retailer --> manufacturer
2nd: consumer --> retailer

So you have to find the retailers buying you consoles, because they think they will sell them. That is the rough part.

So MS SOLD their stuff to retailers. 67.2 million consoles shipped and sold to retail. VGC said that 65.3 million consoles were sold from retailers to consumers. That means according to VGC there are 1.9 million consoles sitting at differnt retailers around the world. This is way too much. 1 million seems reasonable, because this is the average level of stock for the past 2 years at this time of the year. Actually it is just under 1 million.

I hope I was able to clear things up.

The problem is now days with Nintendo releasing european sales figures, we now know almost 100% of video game market. And on top of that Wii and 360 doesnt even come close to PS3 in developing countries. So must likely MS overshipped unless Europe sales are undertracked which doesnt seem likely.


I bolded the part where you are wrong.


Next week nintendo will release sold numbers for european countries. Unless anyone can comeup with solid proof that 360 is overtracked by 1 million anywhere else then sure otherwise accept the numbers.

Nintendo does not have information for ALL of Europe; also, NA + EU + JP != 100% vg market.

Nintendo sales covers 95% of Europe. And NA + EU+ JP make 90% atleast of overall market.

There you have it! 10% of the Xbox 360 shipments is 6.72 million consoles we have NO idea about. Quite a big market, isn't it?



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shanbcn said:
Jadedx said:
shanbcn said:
DirtyP2002 said:
shanbcn said:
DirtyP2002 said:
bertlsenix said:

So shipping is now selling?
So if Sony is suddenly shipping 1389672342 Million Units to africa they are Number 1?

Its kinda funny...M$ only has to ship stuff while the other 2 have to actually SELL their stuff ;)


Welcome to VGC.

Shipped = sold for the manufacturer. Yeah, Sony would be no. 1 if they manage to sell these numbers to Africa. The point is, you have to find someone buying these consoles.

console:
1st: Manufacturer --> retailer
2nd: retailer --> consumer

money:
1st: retailer --> manufacturer
2nd: consumer --> retailer

So you have to find the retailers buying you consoles, because they think they will sell them. That is the rough part.

So MS SOLD their stuff to retailers. 67.2 million consoles shipped and sold to retail. VGC said that 65.3 million consoles were sold from retailers to consumers. That means according to VGC there are 1.9 million consoles sitting at differnt retailers around the world. This is way too much. 1 million seems reasonable, because this is the average level of stock for the past 2 years at this time of the year. Actually it is just under 1 million.

I hope I was able to clear things up.

The problem is now days with Nintendo releasing european sales figures, we now know almost 100% of video game market. And on top of that Wii and 360 doesnt even come close to PS3 in developing countries. So must likely MS overshipped unless Europe sales are undertracked which doesnt seem likely.


I bolded the part where you are wrong.


Next week nintendo will release sold numbers for european countries. Unless anyone can comeup with solid proof that 360 is overtracked by 1 million anywhere else then sure otherwise accept the numbers.

Nintendo does not have information for ALL of Europe; also, NA + EU + JP != 100% vg market.

Nintendo sales covers 95% of Europe. And NA + EU+ JP make 90% atleast of overall market.

Show me proof that Nintendo has ACCURATE xbox tracking info for 95% of EU, show me where it says NA + EU+ JP has 90%. 



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NA + EU+ JP

That's around 37m, 20.5m and 1.5m = 59m, less than 90%!



 

Dont Nintendo's charts only show sales from the main markets?

Mot the smaller EU markets?



                            

Plus you have to laugh when people try to indicate Nintendo know more about Microsofts numbers then they do....



360 should be adjusted up a little juts to keep a certain "few" happy and avoid all this same crap we talk about every few months.



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
360 should be adjusted up a little juts to keep a certain "few" happy and avoid all this same crap we talk about every few months.

360 should be kept the same without any adjustment to keep a certain "few" happy and avoid all this same crap we talk about every few months.

Even without any adjustment, we, 360 fans, are still happy with its achievements in this generation.

In one word, XBOX brand is gaining the market, but another brand...