How would you know if it was faked or not? Sure it can be investigated, but it's going to take a lot of extra manpower with all the increased cases.

Also the statistics we have on this differs.

The stats i have say of rapes reported there are about 50% are arrested. (Already not most.)

And of those 50% about 80% of them are prosecuted,

of those 80% procescuted 58% are convicted of felony charges. (A lot less then most... and this is only reported. You don't want to know the percentage of those convicted that end up in jail. It's not pretty, but it's also not relevent here.)

I could have old info.  Even if i did i'd be surprised it it's improved much at all.

http://www.rainn.org/statistics/punishing-rapists.html

What happens to someone who has an abortion, then gets raped? Isn't that a little fishy too?

Also because no one has been raped more than once?

What makes the baby of a rape victim any less a person than a baby of someone who isn't?

What makes the first "exception" baby any less of a person than a real person?

What happens to people who were raped are pregnant but are too traumatized to report the rape and admit the fact to others and deal with the crippling shame that usually comes with it, yet would still rather not have her rapists baby?

No doubt you also have a clause for situations that risk the health of the mother?  Of course that also is a case of killing one person to save another in your book.

I answered your first two questions actually. Well only the second, as we might not have the same statstics if you had made them up. I also answered your final question with a question. It might seem fishy but in that we lose the chance for those who are victimized twice, or have an abortion and then are victimized.

If I were going to ban abortion on the basis that a fetus is a life then of course I wouldn't allow an abortion that created a baby do to rape.

That baby is no different then a baby who has been created through normal sex.

To do otherwise would be extremely hypocritical. Any exemption would be extremely hypocritical if you saw abortions as murder. It's not like everyone gets one freebie rape or murder or something else.

You accused me of being like a nazi earlier, and yet your talking about the termination of a baby that may have serious complications.

You are basically apply an imperfect solution to an imperfect problem. Which is exactly what abortion is in the first place.

You are also compromising on what you see as murder. Or is it less then murder to you?

I would also by the way make it illegal to have an abortion or kill a baby if there was a better then even chance that either the mother or the baby survived. After all, otherwise you are just killing one life to save another.

What gives you any more right in that case than in another.

Of course i don't particularly hold that view. To me abortion is an imperfect solution to an imperfect problem.

The perfect solution is education and birth control. Or near perfect anyway. Education seems to do wonders for that kind of thing.

 My plan is to keep things as they are and greatly increase education on these matters along with making birth control safe and easy to get ahold of.  Even without parents permission or knowledge.

Also education about abortion, childbirth and the developmental steps of a child.  If after the education levels are good enough, birth control prevelant and they understand everything and the abortion rate doesn't go down then i'd say our society has a much bigger problem on our hands that just has to deal with the people in our country when it comes to personal responsibility in general.  

Either way if you want to draw a line in the sand.  The 12th week would be the week to do so, with an EEG test being applied for later abortions. 

For what it's worth by the way. Most people do want second and third trimester abortions illegal.

 lol but seriously, you aren't going to get a good result in Iraq, because when we leave it'll collapse, and if we stay they gain more support, they love that we are there, because it angers a lot of people.  So best is to do what's in our own best interest and leave, because right now its a sink hole for our money

 Only support will occur if the Sunni's and Shiites start cooperating, that won't happen, but we can revisit it in a year