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Kantor said:
Honestly, I like David Cameron less and less with each passing day. It's not enough to turn me towards Labour, but I am seriously considering "throwing my vote away" to UKIP in 2015. Hopefully enough Conservatives will feel the same way.

He'll probably back down from this, like he backs down from literally everything, but it can't hurt to encourage him to drop this idiocy: http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_big_brother_law_a/?fpla


It's not "throwing your vote", Farage is getting more and more momentum every day, pepole can see his opinions on youtube, and in every survey he gains more and more popularity.



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Soleron said:
Wish I'd voted Labour now (voted Conservative). It'd be the same wasteful spending but £6k tuition fees instead of £9k, slower privatisation of education and health, and at least they U-turn on stupidity like this when pressured.

They basically already had these powers so I don't expect much effect but really they shouldn't have any right to it except by getting a property search warrant. Everyone with something to hide is using encrypted communications anyway so this won't affect them - maybe it'll increase successful prosecutions by somewhere in the single-digit range?


You mean the Labour that introduced central database after central database? Or the Labour that was persuing national ID cards?

The problem is that, on the most fundamental level, Labour and Conservative are the same party. They both believe that Government is the solution to all our problems, just in slightly different ways. Liberal Democrats are just the same, and Greens/BNP are also for more Government. The only real different party is UKIP... but even they just want to remove the tyrants from Brussels, to give more power to the tyrants in Westminster.



RageBot said:
Kantor said:
Honestly, I like David Cameron less and less with each passing day. It's not enough to turn me towards Labour, but I am seriously considering "throwing my vote away" to UKIP in 2015. Hopefully enough Conservatives will feel the same way.

He'll probably back down from this, like he backs down from literally everything, but it can't hurt to encourage him to drop this idiocy: http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_big_brother_law_a/?fpla


It's not "throwing your vote", Farage is getting more and more momentum every day, pepole can see his opinions on youtube, and in every survey he gains more and more popularity.

I love Farage dearly, and he is slowly growing in popularity, but he's still a fringe candidate, and even if he did somehow beat Bercow to get elected, that doesn't mean that all of UKIP's potential MPs would suddenly stand a chance.



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SamuelRSmith said:
theprof00 said:
patriot act- UK version
Fox news staunchly against it.


Just as an fyi, Judge Andrew Napolitano is massively opposed to the Patriot Act. He was the one lone voice of reason on cable news, full stop, until they cancelled his show.

 

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badgenome said:
SamuelRSmith said:
theprof00 said:
patriot act- UK version
Fox news staunchly against it.


Just as an fyi, Judge Andrew Napolitano is massively opposed to the Patriot Act. He was the one lone voice of reason on cable news, full stop, until they cancelled his show.

 

John Stossel says, "Sup? I'm pretty good, too, you know."


Hahaha, okay, there are a couple. Did you watch Stossel's "Illegal Everything"? Pretty cool documentary, all over the place on the web.



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SamuelRSmith said:

Hahaha, okay, there are a couple. Did you watch Stossel's "Illegal Everything"? Pretty cool documentary, all over the place on the web.

Yeah, I've seen it several times now. It's as entertaining as it is infuriating!



theprof00 said:
patriot act- UK version
Fox news staunchly against it.


Actually most of the stuff in the patriot act was already legal in the UK.

Though yeah.  It's awful.

 

Obama's huge as bactracking on FISA was my biggest disapointment from his presidency.



SamuelRSmith said:
theprof00 said:
patriot act- UK version
Fox news staunchly against it.


Just as an fyi, Judge Andrew Napolitano is massively opposed to the Patriot Act. He was the one lone voice of reason on cable news, full stop, until they cancelled his show.

 

How nice it must be to have news show hosts who actually have opinions. We should try that in Britain. The closest we get to an interesting news presenter is Jeremy Paxman, and it's part of his job to be completely impartial in everything.



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SamuelRSmith said:
Soleron said:
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You mean the Labour that introduced central database after central database? Or the Labour that was persuing national ID cards?

The problem is that, on the most fundamental level, Labour and Conservative are the same party. They both believe that Government is the solution to all our problems, just in slightly different ways. Liberal Democrats are just the same, and Greens/BNP are also for more Government. The only real different party is UKIP... but even they just want to remove the tyrants from Brussels, to give more power to the tyrants in Westminster.


I agree with you, I was just saying Labour would back down on these kind of projects if pressured enough. The Conservatives seem to view media pressure as a challenge to stick with it, and they also have the Lib Dems to take the fall by pushing them out to announce anything negative like this.

I was most disappointed when the Conservatives stopped their opposition to PFI (Off-balance-sheet commercial ventures) that end up costing billions, are completely unaccountable and also unsustainable no matter what your political colour.

The Lib Dems are also finished as a third party because they completely gave in on tuition fees, nuclear, Europe, the NHS, and civil liberties (all their supposed core issues). Not even negotiating a compromise like most expected, just giving up.

What I would most like in a politician is for them to stick to their word at election time and be impossible to buy out as a special interest. Their exact policies are less relevant because as you say all parties have the same ideology these days.

I lol'd when there was literally no candidate in my area representing a party opposing the Digital Economy bill, another civil liberties thing that went by unnoticed.



Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
patriot act- UK version
Fox news staunchly against it.


Actually most of the stuff in the patriot act was already legal in the UK.

Though yeah.  It's awful.

 

Obama's huge as bactracking on FISA was my biggest disapointment from his presidency.

agreed. I have no idea how that happened. I really hope it wasn't some kind of concession, or "hey I'm reaching across politcal lines", because there was plenty else he could've done instead.