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Wii Play is optional. You can get a WiiMote/Nunchuk without Wii Play (and the WiiPlay bundle is more expensive than the wiimote alone).

So WP belongs in the charts.



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If this is the case why don't you just use a asterisk( *) to indicate it was released with the system. Granted this would be more work for VGchartz, but it's better than not charting the game at all.



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Ric said:

Wii Play is optional. You can get a WiiMote/Nunchuk without Wii Play (and the WiiPlay bundle is more expensive than the wiimote alone).

So WP belongs in the charts.


It's a 10$ game. It's 1/5 of price... I would rather count... let's say Tekken DR (PS3 - 20$) then this...



you can't say that wii sports is free. I don't know for how much it is sold in japan, and i don't know exactly how expensive a wii is there, but i know that the consoles are cheaper in japan than here. so if nintendo would sell the consoles without wii sports, they would be cheaper here aswell.

And I think it is good if wii sports is included in charts like tie ratio or general games market share. Those charts don't give you an information if you are interested in business value. For that, you would have to calculate with the money the publisher spent to develop those games. But if you are interested into those charts because you want to see how many games the wii gamers own, it is natural that it is included.

However, i don't think that it changes the picture that much. This does have hardly any effects for the tie ratio, because if the wii would have been sold without wii sports, the people would have bought this game or another instead and the ratio would have remained the same.



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Wii Sports is a boxed title that sells for full price in some markets. If you buy a Wii it says "with Wii Sports" very big on the box. Therefore I would regard to this as a bundle, like a DS with Nintendogs or a PSP with Loco Roco or a 360 with Blue Dragon. Does that apply to Hexic? Is it mentioned on the box or in the product name? I have never even heard of this game!


Titles like Hexic or Minesweeper are not in the charts because they are not full price titles. The same applies to VC titles or Live Arcade titles. $15 or something should be the full price minimum. Price reduced titles that used to be full price should be counted though - if they still come boxed... It is kind of difficult. Think of Gametap. Think of computer magazines that give you the top titles from 5 years ago for €7,00 or something... However Wii Sports is clearly full price.


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Wii play is quite debatable. It's really just a $10 title. I guess I would take it off though I would not know where to put it then.



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Saying Wiisport would have reach the same figure if sold separately is pure speculation. And it's sadly not with the VG Cahrts data, saying that there is more Wii sport in japan than Wii consoles (yeah...) that you can check out this. But just ask yourself : why did Nintendo decide to include Wiisport in the US/EU and not in japan ? Where they expecting a different behavior/reception ?

The fact is Wiisport+Wii cannot be considered as a bundle in US or EU simply because you don't have the choice. If you buy the Wii, then you have Wiisport, period. You cannot determine its price because it doesn't have one in these territories. Wiisport does NOT even exist as an actual product in EU/US, neither for the shops (no ref.) or the customs.

Any other bundles (including Wiisport) are optionals. And that make a difference because the fact that you choose a specific bundle mean you WANT to pay for what it has to offer, and usually, you pay an extra for it (while not full price). In Wiisport case, you're in fact comparing the sales of a console with the sales of games.

 

Wiiplay case is interesting. I think it belongs to charts just like platinum games do or downloadable ones should.

Charts are suppose to show how much a game sell, how much money a customer put in a console and the VG direct market (not second hand) can generate.

Ignoring budget games, downloadable games and such, is pretty much like trying to evaluate the movie industry by only taking in account theaters, while ignoring DVD releases and TV diffusions. It's inaccurate.

Many analysts are understanding that figures concerning the PC for the last 5 years are meaningless because the huge developping market of indy/budget games is just ignored. Bejeweled 2 sold several millions units and it doesn't even appear in any charts... NPD only include last year the monthly fees of MMO (hard to ignore WoW I guess) and it represant 1/3 of PC gaming revenues !

If you expect to have relevant figures in any vg charts, you need to include as much sold games as possible : Mainstream, XBLA, VC, PSN, STEAM, budget, and even bundle, as long as it's a voluntary and direct buy.